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Old 06-07-2010, 08:35 PM
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Re: Louise Bourgeois, RIP

It's all reflective and relative. Comfort and pain (or labor...or stress..) are measured with respect to each other. Likewise, I know my ice cream is vanilla for its lack of minty flavor and crunchy chocolate chips.

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Of course, but that's not why we're all here.
It's not? Why then are we all here?
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Old 06-07-2010, 09:19 PM
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Its true, I know a lot of people who care FAR more about what flavor they get, than the subject of artworks. Basically, nobody but the artist him or herself cares about pain, vs. comfort, as subject matter.

But everybody in the world has rock solid, bone deep, unshakeable feelings about what they wanna eat...

Like cheesepaws, I dont quite get why you are here- is it just to argue with people who wont change their minds?
Me, I like to look at art, think about it, and consider all the possibilities.
But I am definitely not here to replay the same argument over and over with people who are sure they are right.

I have never been "sure" about much of anything, that a hangover and a good greasy breakfast cant change my mind about.

Certainty never appealed to me.
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Old 06-07-2010, 09:49 PM
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As mere primates its quite the case that far too few of us think incessantly about the possibilities of rare episodes of solitary anti-functional heroic labors. But the advancement will spread exponentially as more proper artifacts clutter civilization.

I like everything, foodwise. I like fewer and fewer things Artwise. Both are fuel. One is for fight and flight - the other for flight and fight. Got to be picky about the right things.

And ALL arguments are the same argument - subtle variations keep the ball rolling (if you have the nerve you'll notice).

And the best thing about certainty is that it changes...tumbles-over in the churn.

And we are here, of course, for the intellectual gymnastics and the comedy...what else would it be. Oh, and to find out whether or not an air-arc gouger can damage human skin.
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Old 06-07-2010, 10:04 PM
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One of the really great things about art is that the artist can be totally convinced they are doing one thing- and I am under no obligation whatsoever to believe it.

Hence, Bourgeois can be SURE she was making art about pain- and, she probably was- but I dont have to see it that way, and, frankly, I dont.

Pain, her concern, is not what I care about when I look at her work.

Some of her work, I love- for instance, these eyeball benches always make me happy, and I think they are great sculpture. No pain, in me, or them, in any interaction I have had with these, sitting on them, or in my eyes, looking at them.

I like the big spideys a lot too, and again, I suffer no pain, nor do they suggest pain to me.

Spiral Woman is another piece of hers I like. Whatever her motivations may have been, however sorrowful, the piece seems pretty happy to me.

I wish I could see this big box piece she did at the Tate in person- it looks really intriguing, and I bet I would like it a lot.

Of course, she also did a lot of work I find too obvious, or trite, or just overdone. There is a truly horrible fountain she did in Seattle with a life size nude man and a boy, which just plain falls flat on its face.

we all do good work, and bad work, though- there may be a few geniuses out there, but VERY few. Being human is not enough reason for me to discard an artist from consideration...
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Old 06-07-2010, 10:37 PM
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Why then are we all here?
That is indeed the question.

Certainly worthy of its own topic thread.
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Old 06-08-2010, 06:34 AM
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THIS spider puts all the other ones to shame. This one is Art. The big bronze ones are all dead Disneyland charades.
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Old 06-08-2010, 11:22 AM
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I will leave the proclaiming and capital letters to you- but I like the big ones better.
I have been to disneyland, and I sure never saw anything like em there.
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Old 06-08-2010, 12:17 PM
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Well, I bet the sensation of walking under a gigantic black widow, is not quite the same as being near a much smaller kid friendly, object of universal cuteness. Think about it.
I used to live very close to Disneyland. I couldn't handle it. Creeped me out. The "its a small world" song and ride is for me the equivalent of Beethoven's 9th for the guy in "Clock Work Orange".
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Old 06-08-2010, 01:11 PM
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Disney's visual treats are bigger by far. They have bigger budgets and bigger fabrication companies for such things. Vegas too.

They've got one at Storm King. It looks all polished and mass produced. Like a prop.
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Old 06-09-2010, 07:11 PM
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I like this shot. Its better than Disney in my book:
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Old 06-09-2010, 07:15 PM
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It is EXACTLY Disney. Louise would not/could not have fathomed anything like that.
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Old 06-09-2010, 07:33 PM
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Nah man. The vibe is all wrong. Disney is about making nice with animals and dwarfs and cute cartoon characters. Its about happiness and living forever singing nice songs. Its not about poisonous creatures that eat their mates and whose bite will seriously sicken you. The effect of Disney characters is just mind numbing. Do you still have a crush on some Disney character? I hear those last a life time and are quite mind altering.

From Wiki: Maman (1999) is a sculpture by the artist Louise Bourgeois. The sculpture, which resembles a spider, is over 30ft high, with a sac containing marble eggs. The title is French for Mommy. Besides the stainless steel version owned by the Tate Modern, London, there are several bronze casts.
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Old 06-09-2010, 08:49 PM
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There is not a college freshman that would respect the integrity of anything Wiki (do you understand how Wiki works?).

And this mega spider is real cool and all...but Louise had little to do with it, so its not 100% art. 87.7% at best. But probably more like 50%.

here-in lies the trouble with "public" art.
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:50 PM
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Well, you could cut her some slack. Like grade her on a curve, given she was in her late 80's and a little frail bit of a woman when it was fabricated.

So how much art do you see in Disney's fabrications (done by youngsters)? I do hope its less than 87.7%.
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Old 06-09-2010, 10:17 PM
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jOe, is it fair to say that in your world, cute animals and nice things are bad, and poisonous killers are good?

Perhaps its not "The effect of Disney characters is just mind numbing", but rather the effects of certain controlled substances that is mind numbing.
As grommet would say, "just a thought".
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Totally unfair. I like all animals, even the coyotes that ate my last dog, the mountain lions that murdered my neighbors lamas(they didn't get eaten), the blue tailed skink that ran across my welder cables, the multitudes of birds that color my sculptures, the pig that fed me tonight. I do have little mercy on mosquitoes and yellow jackets, but they do love me.

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Nope, its not the dope. If you were experienced you would know better. I was bored by Disney land as a little kid. Then it only got more boring. Did you know that the original Disney land was only shut down once? The hippies took over one day in '69 or '70. Don't remember.
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LB remained powerfully creative all by herself her whole life. But the celebrity side of it all had her dipping into many less significant projects. As we all do on some level (function/commercial/community).

And no, NOTHING Disney is ever Art.
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And no, NOTHING Disney is ever Art.

That is all that needs be said.

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yelling it doesn't make it any more true. sheesh
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yelling it doesn't make it any more true. sheesh
Unfortunately, that is what Disney does--a joke

Two old ladies, or men, sit to write a letter to a 3rd old lady, or man
One turns to the other and says, "Remember write real big. She is deaf."

ps. note I'm in my summer quarters, C del C, Mex., now and tonight I have my first painting class with the same Master that has been teaching me to draw
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Unfortunately, that is what Disney does--a joke

Two old ladies, or men, sit to write a letter to a 3rd old lady, or man
One turns to the other and says, "Remember write real big. She is deaf."

ps. note I'm in my summer quarters, C del C, Mex., now and tonight I have my first painting class with the same Master that has been teaching me to draw
glad to hear you're enjoying life. remember not to emulate traits you don't like, it will yield clarity for all.
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glad to hear you're enjoying life. remember not to emulate traits you don't like, it will yield clarity for all.
Thanks. It is the Joy that is so important and if I have a bone to chew with M. Louise, and Evald, C'est ceci. The carrot and stick of pain is a useless sham. It is the promise of paradise. That is the road to emulation and obscurity.


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What is the difference between Disney and Jeff Koons' bright shiny objects?
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What is the difference between Disney and Jeff Koons' bright shiny objects?
And your argument is?

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To quote Grommet: "sheesh"
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