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Old 03-25-2008, 08:27 AM
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Re: internet; no longer the last frontier

Rules? How about the golden one? If you respond to a dumb shit post aren't you violating the golden one? Why not ignore stupidity? Responding fuels the flames and the flamers. Self discipline. Does it need to be enforced...by rules?
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Old 03-25-2008, 09:08 AM
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Re: internet; no longer the last frontier

I hope you are all happy! Instead of allowing things to take their natural course, your moderators have decided to provide you with a wonderful glossed over picture of false reality. My posts are being selectively deleted. You can continue patting each other on the backs for mediocre work now. Lets see how long they let this post stay up!
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Old 03-25-2008, 09:20 AM
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Re: internet; no longer the last frontier

How about you Oscar, are you happy?

Deleting posts is certainly not the answer, even though I doubt we'll be losing much from what I've read of Oscar's prose. But it does give it more importance than it's worth, and as you can see, Oscar has now one more excuse to play the role of a martyr. This is one reason that censorship, however well-intentioned, is very rarely efficient. Unless of course all the posts in this forum were checked and edited by mods before being published. Is this what we want?
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Old 03-25-2008, 09:52 AM
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Re: internet; no longer the last frontier

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Self discipline. Does it need to be enforced...by rules?
I'll answer my own question. I'd like to believe that censorship is not needed, that guns are unnecessary, that war is never warranted. When internal self discipline is absent, sometimes external restraint needs to be imposed. Nut jobs can create harmful havoc. We see that internationally on a daily basis. Witness that China now claims the Dali Lama is a terrorist. I don't like rules, or censorship. But spammers and other unwanted posters are banished. Trolls are walking a fine line. Reminders of vague and hard to define boundaries are needed. Sometimes reminders aren't enough.
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Old 03-25-2008, 09:58 AM
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Re: internet; no longer the last frontier

I say if you are going to censor me, then do it! Erase absolutely everything I have written or that has been written about me. THEN...I'll post my work!!!!!

Who's the chicken now?
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Old 03-25-2008, 09:59 AM
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Re: internet; no longer the last frontier

Despite the occasional flair-ups that are usually caused by members who wish only ill, this place is usually a pleasurable one. There is intelligent discourse, humor, honest criticism, honest praise with some properly heated debate thrown in. Its better than the schoolyard, better than shop-class and better than the lecture hall. Quite fine as it is and always has been. No need for changes.

Since it is cyberspace there are no real ass-whoopins, no real failings and no real embarrassment. We are unrealistically empowered by the machine...can click and type our way out of anything. Good or bad? Does it matter?
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Old 03-25-2008, 10:14 AM
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Reminders of vague and hard to define boundaries are needed. Sometimes reminders aren't enough.
I tend to agree. I would avoid even calling them “rules” - perhaps connoting an inflexibility. Protocols for posting (like minimizing URL links) and some basic guidelines encouraging courtesy and a general respect for the entire readership of the forum (which can sometimes be forgotten when we are responding to a specific post/er) could really reduce the self-moderation that goes on here. The most important thing, regardless of what they are called, is that they are visible somewhere, like in the FAQ. Additionally, forum users should be encouraged to report a break with protocol or discourtesy to the mods rather than attempting to take matters into their own hands.

Personally, I like the sound of the phase “code of conduct” simply because it sounds more noble than “rules of how to behave.”
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Old 03-25-2008, 10:18 AM
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Re: internet; no longer the last frontier

i think there could be more harm being done here than some relize. mentally ill people already have to deal with stigma. and with some of the posting going on here it only makes it worse in real life. iam sure that some people on here have an even lower out look on people with disabiltys. now with some of these rediculous post. by a certian perosn. iam sure lots of people reading this will now think whenever they here of someone with a mental disabilty. oh theres another asshole and quickly go the other way. and in one perticullar post it could have been taken as a threat with a statement like i would sure like to pull up in your driveway. iam sure we all know of the psyhotic astronaught that drove accross contry wereing a diaper iam actully starting to get sick of it myself and bleive it can be doing real harm in the real world
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Old 03-25-2008, 10:35 AM
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Re: internet; no longer the last frontier

You make a good point Chris 71. However, I would also offer that in my time reading this forum (for about a year and a half now) I have been extremely impressed with how open and supportive this community generally can be. It is truly remarkable. More often than not, posters seem compelled to first offer a hand of friendship in response to a terse comment or slanderous insult.

Over time you can’t expect folks to keep reaching out with the full knowledge that they are going to get bit!
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Old 03-25-2008, 11:08 AM
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Re: internet; no longer the last frontier

What's funny is that I'm actually a pretty nice guy! I'm quite personable in person. I have meant no one any harm. When I came to this forum I saw a whole lot of praise and no criticism. When I did criticize, I became the enemy. I had to fight for my opinions and fend attacks from numerous people. This is a very politically correct forum. It's not for me.

The sad part, is that I truly do want to share my work with everyone and not just for the "I told you so" effects. No, that is the reason.

So, you all win. You have successfully ostracized me. I did some drawings a few years ago. They were of a large ostrich. I named the drawings, "Oscar the Ostacized Ostrich. I brought Oscar here. Now to make you all happy, Oscar is leaving.

I've never fit in...anywhere. I am as gentle as gentle could be but yet seen as a demon. I walk with the genius disease having tested over 180 IQ, but talk with the children for having never grown up. Most of my work is not understood. I'm glad for the most part, I haven't sold out.

Peace
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Old 03-25-2008, 02:24 PM
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Steponmebbbbbbboom has a very valid point, if stated in a rather ineloquent manner similar to those he complains about.
No youre right Ari, what i SHOULD have done instead, like you, is GRANDSTAND him by showing off how much more civilized and intellectual than he is. Let's all watch with interest while this place fills up with sewage and aggrandize ourselves with our civil manner. Is that eloquent enough for you? I even left you a nice syntax error to prove your point.

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I have meant no one any harm.
Unbelievable, You have absolutely no regard for anyone else's feelings yet you expect all of us to feel sorry for you? Did my foul language offend you? Did i hurt your feelings by not offering you a big hug? How could i POSSIBLY understand your pain. NOBODY, NOBODY knows how it feels to be left out, embarrassed, rejected, laughed at, THE EYES, oscar, DAMN OUR EYES!

IT'S ALL OUR FAULT that youre not happy. IT'S US, oscar, it's ALL of us that deprive you of your happiness by turning away, avoiding you, complaining about you, WHAT ELSE COULD YOU DO but lash out at us. We deserve it! Why even go out, we're only going to look at you with our judging eyes and IMMEDIATELY know that you don't belong, and reject you. Who needs windows!

No, if we TRULY understood you we'd let you say whatever you fucking please. If I was TRULY TOLERANT of your DISABILITY i'd ENABLE you. Here Oscar, Why dont you take a look at this news clipping and spit your poison all over it. Horse sculptures, This calls for an OSCAR comment! Here's some pictures of my family oscar, PLEASE, TELL ME how ugly they all are. I LOVE YOU OSCAR, because you tell it like it is! BRAVO!
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Old 03-25-2008, 05:14 PM
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Re: internet; no longer the last frontier

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Despite the occasional flair-ups that are usually caused by members who wish only ill, this place is usually a pleasurable one. There is intelligent discourse, humor, honest criticism, honest praise with some properly heated debate thrown in. Its better than the schoolyard, better than shop-class and better than the lecture hall. Quite fine as it is and always has been. No need for changes.
well said, evaldart.

its starting to look like steponmeboom and oscar are two peas in a pod. maybe its the same person...
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Old 03-25-2008, 05:18 PM
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well said, evaldart.

its starting to look like steponmeboom and oscar are two peas in a pod. maybe its the same person...

Maybe its YOU!
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Old 03-25-2008, 05:28 PM
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Re: internet; no longer the last frontier

Maybe it's me!?

Nah,... Somewhere deep, deep, down in the pit of my heart and the corner of my soul I just don't give a flying fook.
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Old 03-25-2008, 06:54 PM
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Re: internet; no longer the last frontier

Nah Oscar is operating out of dejection and disappointment, worn down by the years. Boomers got some fire in him, note the profanity and the all-caps emphasizing. One is old, the other young. One unable to do what he once did, the other not-doing because hes distracted by anger.

Quite opposites actually, those two.
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Old 03-25-2008, 07:32 PM
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Re: internet; no longer the last frontier

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Rules? How about the golden one? If you respond to a dumb shit post aren't you violating the golden one? Why not ignore stupidity? Responding fuels the flames and the flamers. Self discipline. Does it need to be enforced...by rules?
Many people have the occasional "Oscar" day. You can probably tell who would respond to a nudge & a query. Sometimes it's that sort of day & sometimes they're pissed for a reason-- in which case asking if they have PMS is a bad idea.
I respond like I give a rat's ass about people and hope they would do the same. Sometimes that means giving space & ignoring the aberrant behavior & sometimes it's calling them out for the attitude that's apparently part of something larger.
Where's the fun in self discipline? Where's the risk? the life force?
I promise I won't defecate in your petunias, but I won't promise to never go out on a limb and risk pissing someone off to say something that I think needs saying-- decorum and self discipline be damned.
I hope you all would feel the same freedom.

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Old 03-25-2008, 09:38 PM
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I hope you all would feel the same freedom.
thas wat Im talkin' 'booooouuuuut!
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Old 03-25-2008, 10:03 PM
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Re: internet; no longer the last frontier

it is strange that only during the life of this thread has the influence of moderators become an issue, or at least for as long as I've been here.

could this thread have been a part of it? probably not but still spooky.
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Old 03-25-2008, 10:18 PM
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Re: internet; no longer the last frontier

That's not really the case CJ, the mods have always held in the reigns here when things got too hot and it is springtime and people are naturally restless, it's just biologically hardwired into us... They're not paid employees or staff, they're volunteers with opinions and thoughts just like you and me and they can voice those as well as anyone else.. The only difference being they have edit buttons and can close a thread when they see it as harmful.. Fritch and Obseq have always done a good job here and they deserve our thanks even if we don't always agree with them..

I imagine they both get PM's packed full of complaints about this that and the other and I wouldn't want to deal with it.. With people and forums it's all about mitigation and not so much 100% this way or 100% that way and that's just the way it works in any healthy discourse.. That said, this forum has been on a high controversy diet packed full of angry, upset, resentful, posts for a while and that began before this thread did to be sure..

Are you staying up in the Fort over the summer or do you go home to the folks? I'm headed up there for some rock when it warms up and can show you some great spots to get the good stuff.
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Old 03-25-2008, 11:35 PM
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Re: internet; no longer the last frontier

I don't remember things ever getting so tight around here before. oh well.

I'm going back down to Denver for summer but we still aught to do something cool when it warms up. I'd be up for coming back up here for some digging.
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Old 03-26-2008, 07:32 AM
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Re: internet; no longer the last frontier

Well I live in Denver too, so if you're coming back here then maybe we could shoot down south. This year I want to go after some orange, red and white marble in Canyon city.. Do a little research on that and you'll see there's a ton of nice rock down that way ready for the picking.

I agree, it's been tighter than a banjo string and maybe a lot of folks just get locked up all winter and don't get enough fresh air or something. No biggy...

Anyway, I'll do some more research and see what I come up with. Two guys can lift bigger rocks than one guy so I look forward to it.
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Old 03-26-2008, 12:59 PM
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Re: internet; no longer the last frontier

that sounds excellent steven
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