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Old 06-27-2007, 11:23 AM
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Here's another panel on a building in Paris .....

http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=251407759&size=l
Clicking into this link requires me to register with Yahoo before showing me the page. Other Flickr pages do not require this.
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Old 06-27-2007, 09:36 PM
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Clicking into this link requires me to register with Yahoo before showing me the page. Other Flickr pages do not require this.
Weird, I clicked on it and it pops right up... might be restricted due to "nudity" to logged in flicker.com members- a couple of my photos are set that way too.
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Old 06-27-2007, 10:14 PM
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... might be restricted due to "nudity" to logged in flicker.com members- .
This may be the reason. YouTube also does the same.

Unless they think I am too young to see this sort of thing.
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Old 07-06-2007, 08:18 PM
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Looks like Loveland does not mind this public nude art.



The online story about this nude art is here.

The latest LR sculpture

July 6, 2007, “Forever a Rose,” a life-sized bronze of a kneeling woman holding a rose, has been installed in Riverfront Park just west of the Main Street Bridge.

The sculpture, by Denny Haskew of Loveland, Colo., was a gift to the city....
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Old 07-10-2007, 05:53 PM
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The above piece reminds me of Munch...one of my favorites. More psuchological than nude. Quite nice.
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Old 07-10-2007, 08:51 PM
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One of the comments on that page says;

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congratulations LR on your new lovely stature. Fort Baptist could take a tip, we've been trying public art and while I'm all for it.....the imported art on display here shows an amazing lack of talent. Plus some Ashcroft vandal cut the penis and balls off a bronze bird dog.....can you imagine? Ouch!

Next time you all are in town check out the giant 50 thousand buck vagina we got sitting in front of our new library. Like a friend of mine said, that ain't art....it's Art's old lady!
WHAT $50,000 vagina?
Someone cut the genitals off a dog bronze??
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Old 07-11-2007, 02:19 AM
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This very nice sculpture by Denny Haskew is suitable for cemeteries. The sitting position reminds us of the little Mermaid of Copenhagen. But there seem to be something wrong in the breasts?
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Old 08-12-2007, 07:58 PM
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Maybe I'm confused but I think I've been looking at nude sculptures in public settings since I was a new born. I don't ever remember being embarrased by them or concerned in the least by the nudity.

I did go to museums as a kid and there where four color glossy pictures of all kinds of nude people all over the place, and in the yards or on the steps out front, there where life sized full figures cast or carved. I remember nudes in the parks, or standing on some road side plinth or dolfins and frocking figures in some pool or another. I remember enjoying the jestures, the emotions, the stories in the pieces-- I don't really remember that they were nude or I didn't care that they were.

I can't imagine trying to limit myself to cloth covered figures though at times cloth can be helpful-- not that I actually do all that well with it.
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Old 08-14-2007, 11:37 PM
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I kept my (9) kids covered and my wife and myself covered at home but had a book of crucifixion art (Jesus was hanged naked; Adam and Eve were naked) and Dover Dore' Bible Illustrations. I raised my kids 'country', so they did NOT have TV; they got the facts of life from the barnyard and nature as well as from the Scriptures of the Old and New testaments. I always scouted ahead when we went to public places and avoided the naked stuff. Until barely a hundred years ago, U.S. ''indecent exposure'' laws were vigorously enforced. Can we say that public nudity in flesh, stone or metal 'naked art' has in any way, shape or form improved the world? Nakedness is everywhere and there is more crime, paranoia, sex-disease than ever!
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Old 08-15-2007, 04:22 AM
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Re: Public displaying of Nude Art

There are so much variations among individuals and families. It is more interesting to see how the general public in different countries and regions react to public display of nude art, say nude statues.

Generally Europe is more tolerant of such displays. After all, it was the ancient Greeks who started this trend, followed by the Romans, and the Renaisance artists.

The US is generally less tolerant. But there are variations as the US is such a big country.
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Old 08-15-2007, 09:49 AM
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I always scouted ahead when we went to public places and avoided the naked stuff. Until barely a hundred years ago, U.S. ''indecent exposure'' laws were vigorously enforced. Can we say that public nudity in flesh, stone or metal 'naked art' has in any way, shape or form improved the world? Nakedness is everywhere and there is more crime, paranoia, sex-disease than ever!
I think that you need better discernment in attributing cause and effect, as it relates to this discussion. There are two different elements here, nudity, and nakedness. Nudity is art that has been created for centuries up to the present, done in a tasteful and artistic manner whereby the emphasis is on the expression of the soul, or idea beyond the form. Or upon the aesthetic beauty of the human form. The other expression of "nakedness" is the use of the human form to consciously emphasize sexuality and erotic elements. This is done more in other areas outside of fine art, such as billboards, TV, movies, pornography, advertising, etc.

Since you are making an observation about an increase of "crime, paranoia, and sex-disease " ( to which you could also add abortion and births outside of wedlock ) , this would be more attributable to the type of "nakedness" that I described, which has definitely increased in my lifetime, versus the nudity which has always existed in art and thus cannot be cited as a factor in the rise of the problems you mentioned.

I hope that the nudity is not what you are trying to shield your children from, else they may grow up to believe that the human form is something to be ashamed of rather than appreciated for its beauty. As I recall, God saw everything that he had made (including the human form ), and behold, it was good.

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Old 08-15-2007, 08:36 PM
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There are two different elements here, nudity, and nakedness. Nudity is art that has been created for centuries up to the present, done in a tasteful and artistic manner whereby the emphasis is on the expression of the soul, or idea beyond the form. Or upon the aesthetic beauty of the human form. The other expression of "nakedness" is the use of the human form to consciously emphasize sexuality and erotic elements. This is done more in other areas outside of fine art, such as billboards, TV, movies, pornography, advertising, etc. .... [part omitted ...] GlennT
An excellent illustration of that old Marshall MacLuhan (sp?) dictum, "The medium is the message", though with more discernment required.
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Old 08-15-2007, 10:10 PM
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I raised my kids 'country', so they did NOT have TV; they got the facts of life from the barnyard and nature as well as from the Scriptures of the Old and New testaments.
Oh yes that explains the paranois against nudity... the infamous BOOK of knowlege, the one with factual and translation errors written by those who wanted to keep the sheeple in line, under control and more importantly the money flowing into their church coffers. DId they also learn about stoning people to death for adultry and other "crimes"? Maybe being taught THAT kind of rhettoric is what is causing the violence- the child who curses their parents it is ordered are to be stoned to death.

You might learn the truth about this book at http://www.evilbible.com

And see the movie http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com


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Until barely a hundred years ago, U.S. ''indecent exposure'' laws were vigorously enforced.
Oh? did you happen to notice all of the NUDE art and sculptures? Michaelangelo's David comes to mind, Augustus' "Diana" a monumental gilded sculpture with NUDE breasts on top of Stanford White's Madison Square Garden- in full view of everyone in New York City who cared to look up;

http://www.sgnhs.org/Augustus%20SGau...eal/Diana2.htm




There are plenty of 19th century brownstones and buildings in Manhattant who feature nude caryatid type carvings, some right on either side of the entrance, with full breasts at eye level- attached a photo of one of them, not it's right next to the front door.


What happened was the religious reich became involved and that is why we have paranoid people today. I read in the paper about a teenaged girl who opened the mail and screamed in terror and ran screaming to mom, what did the girl see?
She saw pictures of NUDE men on the cover of a little a sales brochure for adult movies that wound up in their mail by mistake- NUDE pictures of men sent this teenager SCREAMING In panic to mom in the other room for comfort.

THAT is the depth of paranoi and panic installed by stupidity and parents who teach their kids as you have- to PANIC and be shamed.

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Can we say that public nudity in flesh, stone or metal 'naked art' has in any way, shape or form improved the world? Nakedness is everywhere and there is more crime, paranoia, sex-disease than ever!
The problem is NOT nudity, the problem is this country had 150 million in 1950 and today it has over 300 million- DOUBLE what it was, and this is where the problems- all of them come from- like rats who overstrip their environment with too many of them jammed into too small an area.

Here's a couple more nude sculptures, on the facade of Rockefeller center, NYC in full view of the entire city, circa 1930;

http://flickr.com/photos/chrisinphil...efellercenter/
http://flickr.com/photos/wallyg/4513...7600056966734/
http://flickr.com/photos/hjbizzarro/...efellercenter/
http://flickr.com/photos/fiatluxe/11...efellercenter/

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Old 08-16-2007, 04:51 PM
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DId they also learn about stoning people to death for adultry and other "crimes"? Maybe being taught THAT kind of rhettoric is what is causing the violence- the child who curses their parents it is ordered are to be stoned to death.
Eh?....Sorry, there was a loud ruckuss down the street at Pleasantview Christian Church, stoning adulterers and unruly children....so, what did you say?
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There are two different elements here, nudity, and nakedness. Nudity is art that has been created for centuries up to the present, done in a tasteful and artistic manner whereby the emphasis is on the expression of the soul, or idea beyond the form. Or upon the aesthetic beauty of the human form. The other expression of "nakedness" is the use of the human form to consciously emphasize sexuality and erotic elements. This is done more in other areas outside of fine art, such as billboards, TV, movies, pornography, advertising, etc.
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The distinctions of sexualized and un-sexualized are nice. The conscious emphasis of a sexualized form seems somewhat accurate (I do question what emphasis means—even some of the oldest Greek and Egyptian works seem to carry a sexualized air) but the terms nude and naked are a little unwieldy. Naked is probably just the wrong word. Naked has other senses, that of plain exposure, a kind of unvarnished truth, maybe even the emotional fragility that comes from exposing ones thoughts, feelings or form. These very normal human experiences often touch the soul. Maybe the expression of this is one of the ways that nude figures have improved the world.

This whole forum is hard. On one hand, nude forms are part of our lives now and have been for at least 30,000 years. They are in parks, houses, churches, on public buildings, and even adorn roadside triangles, granted maybe less so in the US then Europe but certainly more so then say in the Arabian states. On the other hand, there seems to be a hypersensitivity to nudity at the same time as there is a hypocritical movement in the media and advertising to sexualize just about everything. To the sensitive, it must fester to the point where any nudity can only be deemed sexual in nature or yet another insult to dearly held mores.

The in-your-face artists shock all and especially the sensitive. Right or wrong one has to grant that this is one of the intentions. These artist are brave (more so than I would be) but how studied expressing these intentions are or the reactions to these intentions, is and will remain in question. But as disturbing as the images are, I don’t buy that they, and in turn, all nude figures are the cause and the downfall to 30,000 or more years of human culture.

The tendency in this culture is to try being heard by radicalizing an issue. The more extreme the statement, the more likely that it will discussed. With this subject it is happening with a form that may be as old (and arguably older) as humans concept of god.
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On the other hand, there seems to be a hypersensitivity to nudity at the same time as there is a hypocritical movement in the media and advertising to sexualize just about everything.
Humans can sexualize anything, concern about attacks on little girls and the nude pictures are brought up in the media and net along with the comments that even a Wal-mart catalogue or JC Penny sales circular simply showing minors fully clothed could be, and certainly is sexualized by certain individuals as a form of soft porn.

The average person does not see this aspect and in a way it is similar to those hidden objects images. So the viewer is the one who sees or doesn't see this because of their experience, teachings and what they have been exposed to.

This zebra picture is a good example of that, it's from flickr.com and to most folks it appears to be simply a wildlife photo, but it's much more than that and in some forums it's sexualized and even tagged with a "bestiality interest" as a form of soft "porn."




The same issues arise with art, not knowing the artist's intent, we have no way of knowing the true story behind artworks or the motives of the artist and can only assume and guess.
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Old 08-17-2007, 09:23 AM
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soft porn
time and place
age of development
eye of the beholder

long, long, long ago, when i was a recently post pubescent lad, we used to flip through the pages of the sears catalog and mostly view the womens underwear section--------it was certainly porn to us, and, oftimes a trusty masturbatory aide.

...........maybe I'm just really old, but it just don't do it for me no more...

the oversexualized dancers on the music videos are more porn than i'm accustomed to-especially the crotch shots with the thrusting pelvises...and, what Tina Turner used to do with a microphone-------if you're into blow jobs, i imagine it was highly arousing

without sexuality, we are in the fast lane to extinction
God gave us these bodies and desires so's we could have some fun while furthering the cause of reproduction
Those who would ignore or attempt to destroy god's gifts are the real sinners

life is short
be tolerant
and enjoy

and, if my sculpture should occasionally be of the stuff of a masturbatory aide, or arouse sexual desires in it's beholders
it really doesn't bother me much
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sears catalog and mostly view the womens underwear section--------it was certainly porn to us, and, oftimes a trusty masturbatory aide.

...........maybe I'm just really old, but it just don't do it for me no more...
Hehe, yeah pretty common no doubt, though when I was a kid of 8 or 9 I found mom's photo souveneer play booklet from the Broadway play "Oh Calcutta" which was performed totally nude on stage, friends and I wound up with various pages out of the booklet, some pages were never found again.
The play was supposed to be I guess performance art not porn or X rated, it was simply a nude chorus line of sorts, choreographed to music.

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When you grow up in the big city there is nothing you haven't seen before. I guess I don't see 'sex' there with that pelvic and microphone stuff, instead, I 'see' a sweaty clammy body under those clothes on stage and it's a major ICK factor to me.

Now of you want to see some really odd art, here's 3;

http://flickr.com/photos/26913790@N00/143150079/
http://flickr.com/photos/26913790@N00/143150072/
http://flickr.com/photos/26913790@N00/143150075/

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Old 08-18-2007, 10:27 AM
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Boys, your imaginations are running wild. Lets go back to talk about public display of nude art.

(Trying to kick the obnoxious advert away from pole position.)

Edit: By now this advert has been deleted by a mod, probably Obseq.
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OK, merlion
lemme rephrase

If sculpting is honoring that which is sculpted,
then sculpting the figure well honors (wo)man

sculpting with clothes honors the fashion industry

and, by inverse extrapolation

being opposed to figurative sculpture is intentionally dishonoring (wo)man

by figurative sculpture, I mean without clothing

if you cannot look upon figurative sculpture without the act arousing prurient interests in yourself, then i contend that the arousal is due to something within your own psyche---
eye of the beholder.....
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and that the "something within yourself" changes with age of development, whether physical, mental, or emotional, or any combination thereof.

.............
I am not applying nor implying any value judgment with this comment.
and if you cannot view the Venus without getting a boner well into your 80's, then more power to you (and I hope you've a suitable use for the arousal)...
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and here, i had thought that the anecdotal story was a more direct path to the understanding........

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Sculptor:

Your last post neglected to give proper weight to a very critical element in this topic: The intent and emotional energy of the artist behind the work.

When an artist "breathes life" into a figurative work, it is not an objective, emotionally neutral thing ( in most cases ) whereby any prurient interests are all the responsiblity of the viewer. Rather, a nude figure will reflect the perceptions of the artist. The clay or stone will take on the "vibration" of the person working it. If the artist has worked at a higher plane than the dwelling upon sexuality, then the piece will be much less likely to be a cause for sexual arousal and more likely to communicate the intention that the nude was designed to convey.

One can understand this by comparing most Ancient Greek nudes, or many 19th century nudes, " The Kiss ", by Hamo Thornycroft being a great example, with the commercially successful 20th century nudes by Bill Mack. Bill Mack found that sex sells, and his works exude that focus. They are far more likely to stimulate a sexual response in a viewer than the Greek or 19th century ones, which exalt the dignity of the soul and celebrate the beauty of form. One can find sexual stimulation in these as well, but then it probably becomes a matter of what is in the eye and mind of the beholder.

We have already discussed how portraits tend to reflect the features of the artist as well as the subject. This is also true about the emotional states of the artist. People will respond to and be effected at some level by those states. Again, something to consider when creating public art or working in a permanent media.

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so true Glenn,

I was taking a bit of an rhetorical license to emphasize the importance of the mindset of the viewer.
If the craft is honed and competent, the artist can tilt the emphasis as per his/her intent..........
the result of which still rides with the mindset of the viewer-unless of course it is a sculpture of an overt sexual act

but a single subject alone in space and beyond time could easily be somewhat impact/meaning neutral, and thereby rest almost wholly with the mind of the viewer

ergo the silly naming of classical sculptures of unknown provenance
a glaring example of which would be the Getty "Aphrodite"

eg: pan fucking (as/per an earlier post by landseer)a goat is one thing, while pan playing his pipes is quite another
When viewing the more neutral figurative sculptures we are as r.d.lang's description of a metamessage confused schizophrenic

"what does it mean?"

eg: my ISIS rising from her dream of Osiris with the conception of Horus...
my intent was to capture the orgasmic moment of the conception of a god...
maybe many have felt this, but only one person (so far) has voiced a sexual desire for her(a drunken biker)---tho I had never intended her/them to be of a prurient nature------is he the only one who has felt the moment as I had intended--or was he just "shooting from the hip" and experiencing the sculpture within his own mindset--will i ever know?

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