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Old 10-22-2008, 02:50 PM
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It might have been the little voice in your head that confuses actual people with your sterotypical images of them.
The big voices in my head are telling me: "Give up on GlennT, he'll never get it!" I think I'd better listen since we've exchanged hundreds of posts To No Avail.(also a plug for a local band).
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Old 10-22-2008, 03:29 PM
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The big voices in my head are telling me: "Give up on GlennT, he'll never get it!"
Quite right. I don't know what bug you've got, but I sure don't want to get it!
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Old 10-22-2008, 09:10 PM
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38 years ago many "liberals" were calling returning vets "baby butchers"
(thanx a lot assholes-you broke my fucking heart)........i believe that's called transference?

Ya,.. I've thought about that more than a few times. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I don't think all of that was in vain. It taught a lot of people the difference between dissent and sedition. I think that's why you don't see that going on today with Iraq vets, well that and I think if anyone spit on them they know they'd get their asses kicked. Definately worth a few days in the concrete Hilton poppin a nutter one in the kisser.
I still see those stupid little bumper stickers now and then, "dissent is the highest form of patriotism"... Ya well, not if you're wrong it isn't, it's the lowest..
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Old 10-22-2008, 10:08 PM
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my little brother is an infantry man getting ready for his second tour in afganistan i am very proud of him and had a support our troops sticker on my truck when i was driving and ya if anyone spit on him he would kick there ass all 6 foot 2 240 pounds of him

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Old 10-23-2008, 02:17 AM
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Whoa! You MENSA types need to lighten up on all this deep, mind-bending philosophy. It's hurting my head.
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Old 10-23-2008, 10:17 AM
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Whoa! You MENSA types need to lighten up on all this deep, mind-bending philosophy. It's hurting my head.
let us table this psychedelic complaint lest we diverge too randomly from the discussion at hand.

If it hurts, try standing on it
if nothing else
the action offers a reversal of perspective

.......................
speaking of perspective
perhaps (if indeed there is such a thing as an artistic temperament) it has to do with an eccentric perspective?
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Old 10-23-2008, 10:38 AM
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I was hoping to here from the machete swingers but it seems that raking the rock garden is the only mindset.

more odd art and oddness please.
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Old 10-23-2008, 08:37 PM
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I was hoping to here from the machete swingers but it seems that raking the rock garden is the only mindset.

more odd art and oddness please.
From my earliest recollections as a circus performer dangling from ropes I've had an interest in sinuous dimensionality and string theory of time. each time I fold a new client into their origami abode I test to see if instead they've
reappeared in a time of the same color but different place. But they're still there in the fold so I move on. Apart from this repeated question (different for each person) nothing remains the same. The next time, I'm going to dig my "sculpture" tall. That will fool them, like the writhing bonita flakes on Japanese pizza, and I'll skip to the good stuff right away. I'll be the cannon girl. I will fly.

Odd enough for you for tonight?
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Old 10-23-2008, 09:06 PM
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. I'll be the cannon girl. I will fly.

Odd enough for you for tonight?
can i get into the cannon or go for a ride in time?
nope still not odd enough.
its an odd night.
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Old 10-23-2008, 09:47 PM
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... nope still not odd enough. ...
craig
if grommet's trip ain't odd 'nuff for you,
you're gonna have to lead the way yourself

May i recommend a multidimensional phase shift leading to a synchronous interspecies morphean extravaganza coupled to a phylogenetic delinquency with a notable biomorphing tenacity.

(can't wait to see the transgenetic apparition)

lead on sir
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Old 10-24-2008, 07:54 PM
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May i recommend a multidimensional phase shift leading to a synchronous interspecies morphean extravaganza coupled to a phylogenetic delinquency with a notable biomorphing tenacity.

(can't wait to see the transgenetic apparition)
Is that the one in the blister pack, or the one that they sell bulk?
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Old 10-25-2008, 02:16 PM
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craig
if grommet's trip ain't odd 'nuff for you,
you're gonna have to lead the way

(can't wait to see the transgenetic apparition)

lead on sir
Iam just fair to partly cloudy with a warming trend towards the end of the week.

I have picked up a part time job building the cabinets in a boat so i have to hold off on my oddness for awhile.
or hold down the oddness which has never worked in the past.

i have been enjoying my forays to the local watering hole and randomly setting down at tables to see how long it takes
for the partiers to find me rude or funny.

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Old 10-25-2008, 07:11 PM
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Is that the one in the blister pack, or the one that they sell bulk?
re/ "morphean extravaganza"
sell a gift from a god?
d'ya think that might piss Morpheus off?
I'd hate to lose his gifts

then even if we were to succeed, we'd likely run afoul of the law, try selling the one named after him.........the felonization of ... those who share the shortcuts and generation after generation find and follow the beaten paths to his palaces

can you package a dream?
is that why we're artist?

let us dream
any damned way we can
then........shaped and shared
together in the dreamtime
floating and soaring on the winds of time
continents and centuries
hurricanes and babies
the dead and the dying
generation upon generation
forests and oceans
pass round and through us
as if
in a dream

("jeez man,
it's just a damned statue!
lighten up.")
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Old 10-25-2008, 07:29 PM
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hey Sculptor,
could you translate that into "Pragmatist"? Ever since my etherealectomy, I have trouble understanding dream-speak. (and oddly, my hair no longer gets "the frizzies") Just if you're of a mind...
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Old 10-25-2008, 08:15 PM
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hey Sculptor,
could you translate that into "Pragmatist"? Ever since my etherealectomy, I have trouble understanding dream-speak. (and oddly, my hair no longer gets "the frizzies") Just if you're of a mind...
it just ain't meant to translate into pragmatist
it ain't a thing
it ain't an action
it don't mean nothing
and it is essentially
one and many
signposts
on the "way"
and idle curiosities

that which you perceive with abandon
becomes liquid
flowing into and
swirling in the pools
of your eyes
flowing
into your neural pathways
of
bliss and boredom
companionship and loneliness
joy and sorrow
cognition and appreciation
reverence
of that which is beyond
the programs of the pragmatists
inhale the ethereal
absorb the intoxication
..............................
ok frizzies?
and my mind wanders other pathways
soft and sweet
hot and sweaty
slowly racing ever into
thunder and lightning
joining tornadoes flights
to sweet smelling wheatfields
where the sun's rays
and gentle warming breezes
follow softly on
the rain
......................
stepping out of a summers eve
howling
till the pitch is right
and the tonal changes invite
the dogs down the valley
to join in the howl
finding freedom and communion
beyond their chains and fenced yards
and the howl
joined and shared
sings a song of
joy and sorrow
loneliness dispelled
the voiced howl
collectively and individually
joins in the song of the pack
and
we are one
free and united
for a few precious moments


better?

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Old 10-26-2008, 10:30 AM
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Much better, thanks.
It was that toxic phrase "winds of time" killing all creativity that crossed its path. I was thinking an asthma inhaler was in order for a moment there. But some folks go for that stuff. So like peanutbutter sandwiches you now have with and without fluff. (bananas are better anyway.)
Thanks for the sequel.
You must not have neighbors close-by.
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Old 10-26-2008, 10:51 AM
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re/ "morphean extravaganza"
sell a gift from a god?
d'ya think that might piss Morpheus off?
I'd hate to lose his gifts

then even if we were to succeed, we'd likely run afoul of the law, try selling the one named after him.........the felonization of ... those who share the shortcuts and generation after generation find and follow the beaten paths to his palaces

can you package a dream?

("jeez man,
it's just a damned statue!
lighten up.")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HusVJ...eature=related
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Old 10-26-2008, 09:08 PM
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grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
at least one of my multiple personalities(i think it's #4) is wishing i'd have stopped at post #60 and left the thought more unrefined unrestricted and open as originally nominally offered to craigtx
don't call me no fucking number, man
who you calling man? boy
I ain't number 4, i'm 138
which one of youse guys is #4?
what's a 138?
s'cuse me, I was talking here
like any of us really care
two 69's, a little extra and a breather
don't call me boy
I'm having another existentialists dilemma
horse walks into a bar
#4?
horse walks up to the bartender
If I'm the only one who truly exists,
not 'nuther horse joke
#4?...Anyone?
not me
and I'm having these internal and external
the bartender says,
you sly dog, ready for more?
conversations,
"why the long face?"
#4?...Anyone?...I don't think #4 is here
I wuz born ready
hey, that ain't funny
am i schizophrenic?
see what you started
I didn't start nothing
is too
is not
jeez, shut up guys i can't even hear myself think
is too
this guy thinks he thinks
is not
...mentioned how your beliefs affect your artistic temperament
did you mean affect or effect?
I think he thinks
I'm not sure---wuts the difference?
Do you think he thinks he is because he thinks?
You don't have to talk about me in the third person
Does that bother you
wouldn't it bother you
not even a little bit
one has to do with emotion (i think that's temperament) and the other makes for change in actions
Maybe, we should ask jOe
I'm wondering
ok
why he has a big O
can we just
I'm wondering why the bizarre smith quote
all get along?
what was the subject of this thread?

...natural disposition. and Artistic Temperament
is there really such a predisposition?

has anatomist said anything after his pot shot?
I don't think so
me neither
what do you think his point was?
wish i knew
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Old 10-26-2008, 09:25 PM
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well you got me i have no idea what ya sayin there sculptor. i thought your poetry was beautiful and you were refereceing to a kind of cosmic ephoria. with the reference to Morpheus the god of dreams. and morphine which was named after Morpheus. not that the feelings in your poetry can only be brought upon by drugs. that is not what my link was about. i go around almost every in a kind of crazy eurporhia not from drugs i am to parinoid to do any. but it could be described as the sounds and thoughts of your writings as well as the beautifull song i linked. and i have read that heroin has long been knowen for its antipshyotic effects which might help with them nuts in your head if that makes any cence i guess you could call that my Artistic Temperament
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Old 10-26-2008, 10:28 PM
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well you got me i have no idea what ya sayin there sculptor.
hi chris
think of the last posting as 8 individuals delineated by the colors
having overlapping conversations in groups of 2 and 3
with some members commenting on others questions and statements
some are defensive, orange is telling a joke to blue...etc
(some comments by some folks, ring stronger within various aspects of my personality and knowledge base---ergo the different voices)
and the whole is the embodiment of a joke started in a previous posting
(think Carlos Castaneda's caution--about shutting off the internal dialogue...
or the zen saying praising the struggle and goal of--"to be without thought")

i'm delighted that you like the prose and poetry, thanks for the mention

as/re my reference to the gods
i'm fascinated by the driftless area (mostly)of southwestern wisconsin, and n.e iowa, n.w.illinois.and s.w. minnisota
glaciers traveled from and to the north, east, west, and south, and never entered the "driftless area"............ when i say "if any of the old gods still reside on earth, one of them has his/her abode in the driftless area" i really mean it in a way that exceeds the grasp of language and the rational world of the tonal----(I have yet to find the name of one of the oldest gods who could be said to control the paths of the glaciers--------still looking)

in my studies of comparative mythologies, i've come to believe that:
the oldest gods were all aspects of nature and working with nature via understanding those aspects
the next generation were about controlling certain aspects of nature in the agrarian revolution
and the last generation(not all gods) were about forming communities of gods and/or men

the ebbs and flows of metaphor which is the heartbeat and communication vehicle of the stories embodied within the "mythologies" make a simple direct reading ludicrous.and few metaphors can be understood if they stand alone.

weaving the aspects of the gods into everyday communications is part of finding the pithy central message within the stories....it becomes readily apparent, when the fit is poor
just like flaws in the representational sculptures
billions of people all look different, but when we see a discontinuous flaw in our art, it's obvious.

it may be that an understanding of the messages within the myths requires a suspension of the pragmatic, patterned, rational culturally derived constraints.
I find the same in an appreciation of art
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Old 10-26-2008, 10:35 PM
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I eat my own poop
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I eat my own poop

That's fascinating. You know from a purely psychoanalytical standpoint people who eat their own mucous and excrement have a deep seated fear of wasting away. It's as if the person feels they are losing a part of themselves during the natural process of elimination and to counteract the fear they re-ingest their own waste. This fear is common in babies and typically resolves itself by age two or three during what neonatalists call the cepholocaudal proximodistal stage. A small percentage of people however continue on with this behavior throughout their entire lives. In fact, just the other day I was stopped at a light and noticed an attractive young lady in her early thirties in my rear view mirror. Just as I was beginning to admire her beauty she picked her nose, stuck her fingernail in her mouth and ate it like a trollop scraping the last few shavings of brie on a cracker at a dinner party. I remember telling myself that this is why I remained single.
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Coprophagy, poetry, dysentery, lifestyle choice?...

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Old 10-27-2008, 07:51 AM
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it may be that an understanding of the messages within the myths requires a suspension of the pragmatic, patterned, rational culturally derived constraints.
I find the same in an appreciation of art
Being pragmatic does not impair understanding. It does demand more on the other end of the communication. Simple answers that rely heavily on "because I said so" don't fly. I suspend disbelief and go for the ride, but if you don't deliver I'm gonna call you on it. I can appreciate the primitive, (not to equate mythology and different cultures as primitive, only an example...) but not all transcend their humble beginnings.

I enjoyed the multi-voiced ride & had no troubles... but did I miss the punchline??? I get distracted & forget. Nope, no punchline....
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That's fascinating...from a purely psychoanalytical standpoint people who eat their own mucous and excrement have a deep seated fear of wasting away...This fear is common in babies and typically resolves itself by age two or three during what neonatalists call the cepholocaudal proximodistal stage..
Deep psychoanalysis must be tricky on infants because 1. their vocabulary is so limited 2. the inherent bias of latching on their mother's breast several times a time day(what is usually their first word?) 3. having their excremental output monitored so closely must exaggerate the importance of those functions.

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think Carlos Castaneda's caution--about shutting off the internal dialogue.
It was more like an imperative than a caution. However, his advice on how to accomplish that was severely lacking.
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