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Old 07-03-2006, 08:07 PM
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Re: Public displaying of Nude Art

Wow, is that sculpture PEEING?? that's hilarious!
I kind of like the sliced "layers"

I like the bronze businessman banging his head on the wall- different, using the wall as part of the model too.

Pushing the limits isn't always a good idea as it can backfire, but I agree- involve the public in every stage of the work.
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Old 07-03-2006, 09:02 PM
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Re: Public displaying of Nude Art

You have collected many photos of interesting sculptures, Fused. A few are very well done, and even give us good ideas. Thanks for showing us these photos through your links.

For us, a minor problem is that after viewing them, it takes us quite a while to find specific ones to view again.
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Old 07-17-2006, 11:59 AM
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Can you believe this. It is about the disapproval of a church in Loveland, CO, to a nude sculpture to be placed a whole mile away from their yet to be built church building.

No love lost for nude sculpture

LOVELAND, Colo., July 16 (UPI) -- Members of the Abiding Love church in Loveland, Colo., say they have no abiding love for a nude statue set to be placed a mile from their new church building.

The congregation and pastor object to the statue of two nude women and one man as inappropriate for its planned location, at a traffic roundabout, the Denver Post reports. ....

"It just doesn't make sense to put it in such a public place where kids can see it," said Pastor Kevin Klug of Abiding Love Lutheran Church.

The sculpture is a 13-foot-tall design featuring three nude figures, two holding the third aloft.

Sculptor Kirsten Kokkin said her creation tries to show how everyone is dependent on someone else's support.

The church is constructing a building less than a mile from where the sculpture is scheduled to be dedicated in August. ....
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Old 07-17-2006, 01:20 PM
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Can you believe this. It is about the disapproval of a church in Loveland, CO, to a nude sculpture to be placed a whole mile away from their yet to be built church building.
Oh yes, I sure do believe it, the latest in a retrograde right wing "thing" that seems to be sweeping the country.
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The congregation and pastor object to the statue of two nude women and one man as inappropriate for its planned location,

"It just doesn't make sense to put it in such a public place where kids can see it,"
Oh of course, we have to hide the dirty and NASTY body from view and at the same time protect the ChiLdReN from seeing the DIRTY NASTY naked body whilst instilling in them a hate for their own bodies as filthy, dirty and needing to be covered- by example. Forget that the "nude" is only a statue not a real person.


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The church is constructing a building less than a mile from where the sculpture is scheduled to be dedicated in August. ....
Well, maybe they oughtta build their little church someplace else, I can think of a few choices places they can go, but I'll refrain from comment.
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Old 07-18-2006, 07:20 PM
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Re: Public displaying of Nude Art

If GOD wanted people naked, they'd-a-been born that way
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Old 07-18-2006, 11:54 PM
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It doesn't surprise me that this is happening in Colorado. The state has been a mecca for the whole movement of fascism masquerading as Christianity.

I'm no fan of any Christianity, but what is going on in the US is about a decades long concerted drive by a few major evangelical players with political and money connections to turn the masses of what used to be the ordinary churchgoing public into a mob unified by the themes of intolerance and warmongering. Dobson is one of the key players - obsessed with the persecution of homosexuals - and has made his headquarters in Colorado Springs.

Actually, the last time I was in the Springs, I saw a giant church in a renovated grocery store called "Victory Bible Church" and even more disturbingly, a church with a star-spangled US Army tank right on their front lawn. Apparently fetishized war machinery is much better for the children than naked bodies...
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Old 07-19-2006, 01:01 AM
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Yeah for sure, don't forget Phelps either... the intolerance mobs is nothing new, just read the history about the crusades, reformation, how many people were burned at the stake, hung- this included children and women by the way, history recounts the grusome story of how an elderly man (Gile Corey) was "pressed" by church people piling heavy stones on his chest over 2 days trying to make him confess to practicing witchcraft;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_Corey

Christian groups warned that SpongeBob SquarePants was an insidious weapon being used to promote acceptance of homosexuality in a music video made for elementary schools. The video teaches children cooperation and tolerance

So nothing surprises me these days, they censor art, text, photos, radio waves, TV you name it. The FCC can levy a $325,000 fine on a talk show host says the word SHIT on the air, even if quoting Bush's open mic utterances the other day.
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Old 07-20-2006, 11:58 AM
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Re: Public displaying of Nude Art

With respect to the OP (Would love to read this whole thread but, good grief, I don't have the time! Hope I'm not being redundant.) . . .

. . . there is a difference between "nude" and "naked." The word "naked" (as it is used presently in American English) has implications of lewdness not associated with the word "nude."
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Old 07-20-2006, 07:09 PM
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Ah! I've got more details of this Loveland nude sculpture, including a good photo of the work still in the foundry. This article gives a lot of details of the city council's deliberations and the views of the public.

Sculpture controversy embroils council
Members refuse to override commission

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
So, is morality in the heart of the beholder or in the hands of city officials?

Controversy over too much bronze skin landed that moral debate in the laps of Loveland City Council members ......
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Old 07-20-2006, 09:04 PM
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Unbelieveable, yep, sure enough they quote some minister who said the statue provokes "immoral thoughts" and he wonders what happens to the minds of people who drive by and see it.

20 people protested the sculpture saying it was immoral and a few other choice words, including one who said she had to drive out of her way to avoid seeing it!

Only here in bible country Amerika do people protest a nude STATUE as "immoral" and demand it's removal.
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Old 07-21-2006, 09:29 AM
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Re: Public displaying of Nude Art

All their hoop-la makes me want to see it all the more. The artist only benefits from all the attention so there are good things and bad things. I'd love to see more angles.

For all of you who posted all those sculptures (especially fused) thank you. I've never seen any of those. It's getting me excited. To sculpt. Scout
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Old 08-27-2006, 11:41 PM
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Re: Public displaying of Nude Art

Believe it or not, the original query of this thread was whether or not the display of nude art was appropriate when seen by children, and what are the boundries.

Children come to earth with a veil of innocence that is very precious and can be damaged by many things in a society that is fixated on the human ego rather than spiritual values. The human ego says, " don't censor me, don't restrict me, I have the right to say or do anything I want" whereas a spiritiually enlightened person will consider the effects of his or her actions upon another.

In my opinion, an artistic image is an expression of what is in the heart of the artist. A pure heart creating a nude figure will make a work that is acceptable to be viewed by children, and more than that, comforting and uplifting. Someone with a disturbed mental or emotional state will probably have those energies represented at some level in the work, which will then have a disturbing effect upon others. Children being more sensative than adults, may be haunted by such images. If the artist understood the laws of karma, they may not want to be responsible for negatively effecting the consciousness of children.

If the question where about what type of art can uplift society and raise it to a higher level, most of this would be self-evident and the discussion would not be broaching pornographic images, left-wing radicals and right wing censors. The issue should not be what is the boundry at which I go from "decent" to "indecent", but rather, what is the best way my art can help enlighten a world that is truly in need.
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Old 08-28-2006, 02:52 AM
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Re: Public displaying of Nude Art

Ok. I'll go back to the opening sentences of this thread.

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I was wondering what everyone thought about public display of nude art to children. Do you see it as something that is inappropriate? This would include sculpture, drawings and photography. What are the boundries here? ....
There is nothing universal about this. It depends on general social attitude, and on what countries we are talking about.

Many Asian countries do not accept it but is gradually opening up due to globalization. In a way, this is similar to the idea of sex education for children.

Another point relating to this thread is that we have to be more specific about what is 'nude art'.
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Old 08-28-2006, 03:09 AM
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The issue should not be what is the boundry at which I go from "decent" to "indecent", but rather, what is the best way my art can help enlighten a world that is truly in need.
The whole concept of "decent" "indecent" is rooted in religion and the shame put forth on people's bodies and sex. Remember back 100 years ago it was considered indecent for a woman to even show her bare ANKLES in public, in Europe it is common in some countries such as Switzerland to see women bare chested in public parks, it's not shocking, people dont stare, it just "is."

A photo of a Swiss dog which was the main subject of the photo- happened to include a portion taken from the side of a picnicking lady in a Swiss park, it was printed on a Swiss related dog club newsletter and some tightwad people wrote the newsletter editor some very angry letters and complained to the board about the NUDE photo.

It was explained that this was perfectly normal and typical there, the lady was simply sitting on her picnic blanket and the only thing that you could see of her was the side of her face and the SIDE of one breast.
But here it's like this big paranoia- COVER UP!!! someone might SEE a breast, but forgetting that half the people on the planet have them, and the other half have rudimentary versions of them with nipples, so what's the big deal??
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Old 08-28-2006, 03:51 AM
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...in Europe it is common in some countries such as Switzerland to see women bare chested in public parks, it's not shocking, people dont stare, it just "is."
......It was explained that this was perfectly normal and typical
Landseer, I invite you to visit Europe next summer and you will realize it is not common in cityparks! only on beaches, selected beaches. The answer to the article you mentionned was probably a bit provocative. But thrue Europe is much less controversial than US about a cheast appearing in the media. Kids will see it somewhere anyway. Soon or later, that's the question.

Boundries are very much cultural.
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Old 08-28-2006, 06:02 AM
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Children come to earth with a veil of innocence that is very precious and can be damaged by many things in a society that is fixated on the human ego rather than spiritual values. The human ego says, " don't censor me, don't restrict me, I have the right to say or do anything I want" whereas a spiritiually enlightened person will consider the effects of his or her actions upon another.

GlennT,

You packed more common sense and wisdom into these two sentences than the entire rest of the posts. (or should it be uncommon sense?)

Sadly, the number of 'pure hearts' creating art these days might be a small minority though. As much as I agree with your thoughts, I personally am afraid that creation is by and large a selfish act on the part of many. Uplifting others is an extremely worthwhile goal, but some how not high on a lot of people's lists these days. (or so it would seem)

Thanks for injecting some altruistic comments.
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Old 08-28-2006, 11:25 AM
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Thanks for the kind words and thoughts, Jason. And I enjoyed looking through your website, the product of a deep thinker. Glad you are pursuing the sculpting path.

Landseer: My comments on decent/indecent were actually not meant to be limited to the display of the human form, but rather the intention or motives of the artist no matter what the subject. The shock-value approach to art is in my mind indecent, not because it stems from a religious bias, but because it is meant to negatively jar ones emotions. Perhaps some people need a slap in the face to wake up, but art that does that publicly slaps eveyone in the face whether they need it or not. If the artist has the intention to instruct via the art, there are ways of doing that which are decent, i.e. they use harmony, beauty, grace, movement, rythmn, and a number of very old-fashioned principles that allow for the viewer to be moved without being offended.
This is a new concept to artists whose primary goal is to be noticed ( by being controversial ).
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Old 08-28-2006, 12:05 PM
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Landseer, I invite you to visit Europe next summer ....
Oh, wow! Do open up your invitation to others interested, Anne. I would welcome having such an experienced artist as a guide to see the nude public art in Belgium and some neighboring countries.
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Oh, wow! Do open up your invitation to others interested, Anne. I would welcome having such an experienced artist as a guide to see the nude public art in Belgium and some neighboring countries.
Merlion, here when you "invite" someone, it means you are paying their way!


Usage for proof: "I'd like to invite you to the party tomorrow"

That means Anne is paying my air fair to see Europe Merlion, isn't that great??!!!! if you can get Anne to invite you Merlion we'd be a great teams touring Europe's fine art on Anne's credit card!!
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Old 08-28-2006, 08:35 PM
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That's great. And Anne is a generous rich lady.

Do you know that in Belgium, the drinking fountains are all figurative sculptures of a small boy urinating? But in France, you create your own drinking fountain by the road side, behind a barrier.
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Old 08-29-2006, 05:18 AM
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Merlion, here when you "invite" someone, it means you are paying their way!
In french "inviter" has a double meaning, in this case "to suggest".
Please stop teasing my poor english! ...or learn french!
intolerance has no place here.

Merlion, there is ONE fountain with a statue called "Manneke-pis" brussels slang meaning the "pissing little boy" here is a link http://www.eurobru.com/monum001.htm
Although originally he is nude he has his own wardrobe (a museum dedicated only to him on the grandplace) componed of more than 600 suits...
...and he has a sister "Jeanneke-pis" meaning the pissing little Jeanne that you can discover on the same link.
Both have a dog "Zinneke-pis" Brussels slang meaning the pissing bastard... but dogs are not concerned by nude art
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Old 08-29-2006, 06:29 AM
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Sorry, Anne. It wasn't meant to make fun of you or your English at all. It's more to do with Landseer and I trying to pull each other's legs, which we sometimes do, and it so happens that your sentence triggered it off.

Actually, I don't think inviting somebody over for a visit means paying for the expenses of the visit, unless the invitation is from one senior government minister to that of another country, or from a very rich man to the grand wedding of his daughter.

About my mention of drinking fountains in Belgium, this very famous Brussels boy statue urinating is what I had in mind. But I am not aware of his 'sister' and his dog. Thanks for the link.

Come to think of it, it is the very first time I see a statue of a girl pissing, whether real or a picture. Is it placed next to, or not too far away from the boy statue? I've been to Brussels only once, and that was long long long ago. See, that's why I jumped at the chance of being shown around your public art.
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Anne, you're English is excellent, much better than my French. I have forgotten virtually all of my native language since emigrating at age 5 from, yes, Brussels, where I was born. I can recall visting "Manneke-pis" as a child. We lived very close to the statue.

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In french "inviter" has a double meaning, in this case "to suggest".
Please stop teasing my poor english! ...or learn french!
intolerance has no place here.
Well I'm sorry if you thought I was making fun of your English or being "intolerant", I thought a bit of levity and joking with Merlion might create a couple of laughs, but I guess not.
Ok, then I can take a hint, no jokes or levity allowed, my posts will be strictly business/technical from now on then, thanks for clarifying the policies here.
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Old 09-01-2006, 08:33 AM
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yes, Brussels, where I was born. I can recall visting "Manneke-pis" as a child. We lived very close to the statue.
World is so small sometimes...

Merlion, Jeanneke-pis the little girl is located 3 blocks away from her brother in a much more confidential place.
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