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Old 12-13-2006, 03:53 PM
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i would like to throw a bunch of junk on a floor and call it art. Its already been done.
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Old 12-14-2006, 04:54 PM
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Re: minimalism

Draw a hole and crawl into it. That hasn't been done.

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Old 12-14-2006, 06:54 PM
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Re: minimalism

Throwing "a bunch of junk on a floor and call it art" is a different issue. But this is clearly not minimalism.
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Old 12-15-2006, 09:16 AM
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Re: minimalism

Hi, I think the surrealists did that sometime early in the last century. So, that being said and crawling in a hole not being an option, what is your point?
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Old 12-16-2006, 02:47 PM
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Re: minimalism

Wherever I go artists of all levels of talent keep on complaining about certain pieces of art. Urinal, Black Square, White Square...
I feel that there is a problem. Artists, and people in general, look at these pieces in the context of the current state of art. What everyone has to understand is that for centuries and centuries artists have been pushing the limits of their days. At some point in the 1900's I think that this process accelerated to such an extent that all limits and even perhaps art itself were destroyed.

So, here we are left without limits and boundaries, and we must re-define art, and what art is. This is very hard to do, and difficult to grasp.

I feel that many artists, and art viewers would like the old limits and boundaries to still exist. They do not, and it is very very hard, if not impossible to break new boundaries when none exist.

I hope I live long enough to see what is said of this period with hindsight. It will be interesting.

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Old 12-18-2006, 07:40 AM
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Re: minimalism

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i would like to throw a bunch of junk on a floor and call it art. Its already been done.
That would be more something like Arte Povera.

Of course, it can be anything: as long as you DIDN'T do it, it's worthless ;-)
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Old 12-21-2006, 02:32 AM
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i would like to throw a bunch of junk on a floor and call it art. Its already been done.
So it's already been done, show some imagination: redo it. (Michelangelo's 'David' was not exactly an original idea....)

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Old 12-21-2006, 06:06 AM
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Re: minimalism

There's a saying which I'm sure doesn't translate in english so well:
"Everything has been done! What a mess! Everything is to be done again!"

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Old 12-21-2006, 06:54 AM
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"Everything has been done! What a mess! Everything is to be done again!"
Funny! Mussolini?
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Old 12-21-2006, 07:10 AM
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Re: minimalism

How bout this....throw a bunch of art on the floor and call it junk.

Or tell a bunch of lies and call it politics.

Or build a dozen strip malls and call it growth.


I'm sure the list can go on. Things are what they are.....we just twist them around a little to fit our agenda's.
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Old 12-21-2006, 12:15 PM
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cmustard, you have an excellent grasp of life today. In a year or so we will pull out all the additional troops that will be sent early next year and call the mess Bush made victory.

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Old 12-21-2006, 01:08 PM
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Funny! Mussolini?
Mwouahahahha... I hope not!

Cmustard,
I think it's an easy pose to assimilate all politics as crap, all economic activity as exploiteur's logic, all conceptual or minimalist art as an easy etc...

If your position is just saying: Crap exists, then ok.
If it's to put everything in the same bag and call it crap, well, then I disagree.

Now, each person bends the reality to be able to live into it. There's nothing else than subjectivity, objectivity is just a relative one. I share your feelings tho regarding our _nice_ situation.

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Old 12-21-2006, 06:02 PM
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Re: minimalism

Very insightful, CMustard. I'm convinced the Internet (along with earlier exposure to TV) is generating most of the argumentation we see today. It's probably a bit of inherent exhibitionism present in all of us, with new tools hyperbolating earlier barroom possibilities.

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How bout this....throw a bunch of art on the floor and call it junk.

Or tell a bunch of lies and call it politics.

Or build a dozen strip malls and call it growth.


I'm sure the list can go on. Things are what they are.....we just twist them around a little to fit our agenda's.
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Old 12-22-2006, 01:23 PM
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It just goes to show, Fritchie. One person's junk may be another's profundity.
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Old 12-22-2006, 02:59 PM
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Hi Vincecoffey, Where are you? you didn't draw a hole and crawl into it, did you?
He started this thread and I don't know if any of you boys & girls noticed but he hasn't been heard from since!
Hope you're all right, Vince.
Have a great day,
Jeff

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Old 12-22-2006, 08:21 PM
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Re: minimalism

Jeff,
I think we should just consider this thread as a veritable minimalist performance piece!


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Hi Vincecoffey, Where are you? you didn't draw a hole and crawl into it, did you?
He started this thread and I don't know if any of you boys & girls noticed but he hasn't been heard from since!
Hope you're all right, Vince.
Have a great day,
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Old 12-22-2006, 10:40 PM
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Phil,
I was only responding to Vincecoffey's statement.....I really believe that most things in life are relative.
People are quick to see irony in calling a pile of junk art....and slow to see that we are surrounded by that very same irony in most aspects of life. But I think that's okay...it's part of what makes the world go round.
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Old 12-23-2006, 02:47 AM
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I'm beginning to wonder what the first post actually means!
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Old 12-23-2006, 05:55 AM
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I think he was just being a smart ass.
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Old 12-23-2006, 12:22 PM
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Jeff,
I think we should just consider this thread as a veritable minimalist performance piece!
ahhahahahaa.... Obseq, you cracked me up ))

Well... cmustard, agrees on relative aspect of all things... To me, there's still one glimpse of romantic-touch in some of my feelings about some art works: when an art work touches a bit of eternity, infinite and totality, absolute, a greater all that can't be defined and yet can be touched by bits of visual, verbal or physical poetry.

This is most of the time very un-Philippe ;-) hahaha....

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Old 12-23-2006, 04:14 PM
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....when an art work touches a bit of eternity, infinite and totality, absolute, a greater all that can't be defined and yet can be touched by bits of visual, verbal or physical poetry.
This I understand. This is always good art. And I've seen this done with junk.....
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Old 12-23-2006, 06:57 PM
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Re: minimalism

Every year, my high school art teacher brings in a bunch of junk, old furniture, christmas lights, boxes, trash, anything he can find. Then, he throws it on a table in the middle of the room and the class sits in a circle and everybody draws it, as is. The junk its self isn't art. The drawings, perhaps, are.
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Old 12-24-2006, 10:47 AM
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Re: minimalism

A pile of junk in the middle of the floor? sounds like all my friends art studios as well as my own. The hard part is pulling the art out of that proverbial pile and making it stick together somehow...and then the even harder part of how to convince someone that they should pay you for it. But where would we all be without that pile? I have known a few artists with very neat studios, no pile, they had their work fabricated from cardboard maquettes somewhere else...wine and cheese served on an unscratched 10,000 lb platen, no crushed cans on the floor, very clean hands, no pile. All of this has nothing to do with minimalism unless coffee is referring to minimal thought and effort.
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Re: minimalism

"How did you know there was a horse in the middle of all that crap pile" asked the little boy to the sculptor.

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