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Old 12-29-2007, 11:06 AM
AKady AKady is offline
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A self admitting stealer of art.

I discovered this on another forum:
The first post:
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Originally Posted by hewey
My mate used the original image in one of his adds in tiki magazine. This guys has removed the logo and is selling it as prints! Check out the ebay auctiion, he fully acknowledges he stole the image. PLEASE tell this guy what you think! (and yes, it is being followed up "officially")

http://cgi.ebay.com/FABULOUS-TIKI-WO...QQcmdZViewItem
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Originally Posted by blankmange
would notifying eBay themselves of the problem do any good? explain the situation, show them the fake vs the original and state that the seller does NOT have the original artist's permission to produce/sell the fake...

or has that been done already?
Already reported it as a copyright infringement to ebay, but I think they'll give it more credence if more people report it (I dont know enough about how ebay works :?: ). As altered pilot said, he posted the original next to 'his' art, and admitted it was an unauthorised copy in the text.

This is the response to the email where I (not so nicely) put forward that what he was doing was wrong: (normally I would edit out his number, but I don't really care who has his number... ) I haven't responded to it yet, I'll sit on it and ponder/mellow out a little before I send knee jerk response.
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Firstly, what's really important is that you recognize skill. Secondly, WHO IN THE FUCK ARE YOU? I get hate mail from time to time so you must understand the bullshit you have written to me doesn't usually get a response, I'm really immune to it, plus I'm really busy packaging and selling art. Now it's painfully obvious to me Hewey that you need some nurturing, not from me of course, but someone else.

Now if you want to vent, call me at 808 852-0225, and don't privatize your number cause I won't answer. You need to have some idea who the fuck you're dealing with, so let's talk.
If you know Brad's number, give him mine.

P.S. How many prints you buying, Bitch?
Check out the links from his wikipedia page, seems he is widely known for creating fake prints and selling them as "authentic prints" previously:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.M._Washington

and here are some choice quotes from those links:
Forbes.com:
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2004/0920/302_print.html
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Whatever the case, the art has proved a bonanza for Washington. Since 1998 as many as 60,000 Washington prints may have been sold on Ebay and at PBA Galleries in San Francisco and DuMouchelle's in Detroit, among other venues, at prices ranging from $20 to $350. Vaughn (Pete) Baughman, owner of Frogtown Books in Toledo, Ohio, says he bought 5,000 to 7,000 prints, paying Washington $12 to $35 each, and resold 2,000 or so over the Internet...
...And to a widening ring of skeptics they are all fakes...
..."Washington's such a good liar," says Baughman of Frogtown Books, who no longer believes the prints are authentic. "That's what he does for a living." ...
http://www.mcescher.com/News/false.htm
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They were selling 325 sets of 19 prints each. We received a set and checked them with the original woodcuts in our possession and found them to be fakes....
http://www.philaprintshop.com/earlmwashington.html
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"Original woodblock" prints by E.M. Washington: an art scam...
...It turns out that this "find" was the result of an elaborate scam perpetrated by this printmaker's supposed great-grandson, also named Earl M. Washington. The evidence is overwhelming that even if the first E.M. Washington did exist and was a printmaker (both uncertain), he was neither the maker nor printer of these prints. Instead it is clear that the maker of these prints is the current E.M. Washington, who made "original" woodblock copies of prints by the famous printmakers who were supposed to be the friends of his alleged great-grandfather. Each of these prints is signed "E.M. Washington," which though said to be by the great-grandfather is certainly the signature of the great-grandson, and they are dated with dates when they were supposed to be printed, a clear misrepresentation.
And he still posts the link to the wikipedia page on him from his auctions! WTF?


What are the options that the artist has?

Can Ebay do anything?
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Old 12-29-2007, 01:17 PM
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Re: A self admitting stealer of art.

The guy is hustler, you gotta give him that.
But since he only steals the Idea, and then carves his own block, I kinda think he is gonna be hard to sue.
Yeah, if you had enough money, maybe. A few hundred grand in lawyer fees.

He does alter the originals a bit, in this case leaving out all the text, the shark, and so on.

And although in the past he claimed the work was other people's, now he seems to be upfront about doing it himself.

At least he carves the blocks, and pulls the prints on an old press, not just photoshopping em on a computer.

The tradition of stealing other artists ideas goes back at least 5000 years.
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Old 12-29-2007, 06:09 PM
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Re: A self admitting stealer of art.

Richard Prince compared looking at his "appropriations" to hearing a familiar song re-contexted by virtue of it having been selected and played by someone else in an unexpected time or place.

Maybe "Stairway to Heaven" or "Free Bird" would be quite tolerable and fresh resounding by the acoustics of Carnegie Hall or buzzing inexplicable in the subway or invigorating the timid drone of the intercom at the DMV.
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Old 12-29-2007, 07:03 PM
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Re: A self admitting stealer of art.

Akady:

When someone uses language like "you need to have some idea of who the ++++ you're dealing with" , you know you are dealing with a nutcase.
Additionally, there is his veiled threat of having someone else "nurture" you, as in "Vinnie and Louie wanna 'splane sumpin' to ya".

So...I would give him a wide berth unless you care to get entangled with a madman. If his crimes are worthy of a descent of the law on his case, you could stir them in that direction, but I would drop any plans to personally interact any further with him. Life is too precious to waste on such scum.
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Old 12-30-2007, 11:59 AM
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Re: A self admitting stealer of art.

I'm surprised this guy can get away with this, even though it is a change of medium, because it isn't simply the appropriation of an idea. This is definitively a duplication of the image for financial gain. Put me on the jury and I would find him guilty as this is not a re-interpretation of the visual idea.

If George Harrison could land in court over the similarities of "My Sweet Lord" to "She's So Fine" then this image theft certainly has merit, unless there is a public domain issue that makes it's reproduction for profit legitimate.

In the realm of art duplication check this out.
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Old 01-07-2008, 05:35 PM
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Re: A self admitting stealer of art.

Hows this for irony from page 53 of the book "Picasso, In His Words" ?

http://www.amazon.com/Picasso-Words-.../dp/0941807371

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Old 01-07-2008, 10:03 PM
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Re: A self admitting stealer of art.

I think the only reasonable solution is to have the artist box this guy who does repros of him
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Old 10-29-2008, 05:31 AM
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Re: A self admitting stealer of art.

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The guy is hustler, you gotta give him that.
But since he only steals the Idea, and then carves his own block, I kinda think he is gonna be hard to sue.
Yeah, if you had enough money, maybe. A few hundred grand in lawyer fees.

He does alter the originals a bit, in this case leaving out all the text, the shark, and so on.

And although in the past he claimed the work was other people's, now he seems to be upfront about doing it himself.

At least he carves the blocks, and pulls the prints on an old press, not just photoshopping em on a computer.

The tradition of stealing other artists ideas goes back at least 5000 years.
nevermind that he is a thief, he's a very stupid one very stupid
at least keep quiet and be shy, I don't think it'll be very hard to catch him
I'll try
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