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Old 05-24-2007, 12:48 PM
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Re: New illegal sculpture

I dont know Glenn- that seems a bit revisionist to me.

There has been, for the last few years in the USA, an ongoing critique of the French in general, with the main theme being they are cowards, for not joining us in our war in Iraq. Then, its usually mentioned that they are socialists, which, to many americans, is just a bit worse than being homosexual cannibalistic pedophiles.
This takes place all over the media, on the radio, tv, and in print.

Your initial post did not have "humor" vibes emanating from it, but instead, fit right into this self righteous theme of "Frog Bashing" that I hear all the time.

Freedom Fries, anyone?

I didnt think you were making a joke when you said that Segoline Royal threatened violence if she wasnt elected, or when you connected her loss with the car burnings in France, intimating that her supporters were following her orders and protesting by burning cars- was that intended as a joke too?

And what about the part where you said that those ingrate Frenchmen dont work enough, are mollycoddled by all those social services, and then have the gall to go on strike- was that meant to be funny too?

You can back peddle if you want, but your first post still reads as a blatantly political, non-humorous statement, and its implied meaning, at least to me, is that Phil is somehow aiding and comforting those lousy rioters by making this piece.

Now my post, about american violence, was clearly meant as a joke, and I dont think anyone, even you, needed smiley faces to see that.

Personally, I think, as I have said before, that art that raises questions is good, and its even better if it is subtle enough that it raises DIFFERENT questions in different people.

So I consider this piece more successful because of the ire it has obviously raised in you, versus the other, different reactions other people have had. If it was simply a blatant political piece of propaganda, a flag waving in favor of one side or the other, it would be much less interesting.
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Old 05-24-2007, 03:02 PM
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Re: New illegal sculpture

Hi Philip,

When someone posts a picture of their work on this board (without instructions) then it's assumed that they are asking for a critique. Is that your intention ?

If someone likes or doesn't like your work it's usually a good idea not to take either comment too seriously. The normal procedure is to thank them for their time, see if there is anything to be learned and then move on. Attacking them by saying they simply don't get it makes you look defensive and it is an old argument we have all heard many times before.

Anyway the piece is presented as a illegal sculpture..why is it illegal ? I'm curious. Also if you do have to spend 30 days in the slammer for this I will personally visit you and bring you sandwiches. (insert smily faces here)

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Old 05-24-2007, 03:46 PM
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Re: New illegal sculpture

Ries:

Why are you trying so hard to misunderstand me?

The humour was in reference to understanding the unique way the Fench express themselves...observing the actions of the French soccer player in the World Cup, just some casual humor as a seque into the meat of the issue, obviously ( I hope ) absurd if a bizarre episode on the soccer field is actually considered to be a distillation of French political thought.

None of the commentary regarding the actual words and events of the French election and post election riots were meant as humor. I am still willing to believe that you can tell the difference, and that your questioning this is merely that lesser form of humor known as sarcasm.

I thought that your post was funny, but still it was based on a false premise regarding my intentions. Humor works better when it is based on truth.

And I will be willing to admit to indulging in a vibe of French-bashing, because the elements of French thought that I dislike are so at odds with the moral character found in the French heros of earlier historical periods. And I do think that Phillipe's sculpture was intellectually in sympathy with, if not in fact encouragement given to the rioters. If he wants to hide his meaning with revisionism and false ambiquity, and not have the courage to defend his viewpoint, or pretend that if it is interpreted the way that I have it is the fault of the viewer, that is his business. I do not say that it has no other interpretation. I just affirm that the obvious one cannot be so easily shrugged aside.

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Old 05-24-2007, 08:54 PM
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Denis, you're right about the ask for critique of my work. Interpretation is open and I like this. I needed to clarify something that does not relate on my actual sculpture but about my personnal opinion: I do not advocate violence. I can be more precise: I think violence is a weak form of expression that some fools rely on when short on brain cycles. Resistance in armed conflict is a different subject of course, i'm not _that_ idealistic ;-)

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And I will be willing to admit to indulging in a vibe of French-bashing, because the elements of French thought that I dislike are so at odds with the moral character found in the French heros of earlier historical periods. And I do think that Phillipe's sculpture was intellectually in sympathy with, if not in fact encouragement given to the rioters. If he wants to hide his meaning with revisionism and false ambiquity, and not have the courage to defend his viewpoint, or pretend that if it is interpreted the way that I have it is the fault of the viewer, that is his business. I do not say that it has no other interpretation. I just affirm that the obvious one cannot be so easily shrugged aside.
Well... GlennT, here you see that I must say something. I do not advocate violence, and if you believe so, that's you're right but that's not what I feel.
It's just for the sake of communication, it's all right if you keep believing this after X messages on the subject. I don't need either to justify myself on this subject. And my courage is to keep my opinion of not defending violence and at the same time not making straight-forward clean-cut well-meaning art. I believe your reference to "morality"" extremely insightful on why you may not like this paradoxical and non-Manichean work.

There is ambiguity on my work, I agree, and it's definitely interesting. On the other hand, there is NO ambiguity about my state of mind and my position regarding violence.

Peace,
Philippe.

PS: it's an "illegal sculpture" because there's no permit for the installation of such sculpture, that's all. It's a follow-up on another illegal sculpture made by another group of people which I relayed on the forum earlier.
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Old 05-25-2007, 10:44 AM
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Re: New illegal sculpture

All politics aside, It looks like an "Illegal junkyard".
I wonder if the graffiti makers will go to jail too? Just once I wish they would spray paint some buffalo or mastedons on a wall with some spears and dancing stick people.

I hate to think of what the archeologists 20 thousand years from now are going to think about us painting "dude" on our walls. I can almost read the textbooks now; Modern man seems to have gone backwards after the first 25 thousand years of development.

Now for the politics; Some of my best friends live and work in Borduex, 3D software developers and very bright guys and I love them all.
Pass me the ketchup for my freedom fries please and scoot over close to me, plenty of room for everyone at my table.
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Old 05-25-2007, 07:35 PM
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hehehe.... yeah, I guess "progress" will have a changing definition over the next few years / decades / centuries & millenia.

"The modern men thought that going forward meant to build new machines and invent new way of life to go faster, higher, better. In fact, internal life and quietness was considered a fringe activity that was reserved to cult-like organizations such as 'zen' and 'hippies' which were despised and criticized. Even people who were just exploring their own personality solo or in group, such as street painters, sculptors and weekend-artists were seen as weird people for not trying to earn and spend as much as they could" ;-)

oh... and i'm putting a book called "Freedom Fried" with stories about the sculpture, description of this junkyard, social and political context, transcript of our rants and posts, etc.. etc... It will be available tomorrow at the opening

Tough thing, the barricade was just re-closed yesterday and I either need to do the opening on the outside OR break the barricade, which I don't want to do. Well.. we'll figure out.

Oh, and there's a video too now:
http://www.divshare.com/download/725734-691

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Old 05-27-2007, 06:48 PM
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Re: New illegal sculpture

The video is great.
I love seeing you make the piece right on site, burning the one match in a fire behind the fence, and then putting them up like a mysterious organic growth process to the passerby.

Very cool piece.
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Old 06-11-2007, 01:42 PM
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Thanks Ries!

Tough news: this sculpture is no more... It's been torn down before construction. But it had very interesting reactions in the neighborhood.

That gives me ideas for a new future piece ;-)

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Old 06-11-2007, 11:44 PM
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Re: New illegal sculpture

i read all the posts in this thread and i like this one the best by sculptor

GEE

and here, I had thought it a giant q-tip with a red end

so much symbolism embodied in so little art

will wonders never cease?
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Old 06-12-2007, 10:30 AM
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Re: New illegal sculpture

views and opinions, that's why we're here

just one thing, the [ QUOTE ] thing is useful if you want to quote someone.

Another illegal sculpture was voted into permanent stay around Place de Clichy: voted unanimously by the city administration of Paris 18th arrondissement, quite a nice outcome.
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Old 06-12-2007, 12:52 PM
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I love it !!
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