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Old 10-02-2004, 06:00 PM
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Too mach balanced too mach control

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Hi ARAICH ,
I don't want to be a rude, but I will – this forum need a provocative item from time to time –
I like your work - I PAID ATTENTION TO EVERY ONE OF THEM – THEY ARE special and unique. They are beautiful and beautiful balanced, too mach balanced in my test, and they are in good fitness – look like they are going every day to a gymnasium - to be ready, to be ready to the next client.
YOU are to much organized , thinking to mach, polishing and shining, and burnishing, pay attention to every detail , to the final touch up, keeping every thing in your control – It's look like you are afraid – afraid of loosing control.
I don't know – you are so mach talented – that you don't need to think about something different something more - that you don't need anything more.
Forgive my English, and forgive me – I did not mean to heart anyone- just to understand more.
Too mach balanced too mach control.
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...I also like Araich's work, Asymmetrical yet well balanced and with feeling. I find the finish on his pieces astounding. I think he raises the bar a notch or two when it comes to well made, extremely well finished sculpture. The only problem with painted sculpture (I sometimes spray paint mine, but I hate the process) is that every time you move them, they get scratched or chipped. My solution, work in stainless steel!
There is a certain pressure being applied today (by galleries, clients, etc.) to do highly finished work and I think that Araich (I don't mean to speak for you) is just responding to that as well as his own inner drive as a truly Professional sculptor. Perhaps, Shlomo, you are right about TOO MUCH control and balance in the work. I know you didn't mean any of that as an insult to him but just as FOOD FOR THOUGHT. I do think you have brought up a valid point though as Araich seems to dot every "i" and cross every "t", but that's him and that's the way he expresses himself. That's what separates all of us. "personal expression" IS what it's all about! Look at the difference between his work and Ted T Stanke's work, WOW! Both teriffic sculptors but at opposite ends of the spectrum!
It'll be interesting to see where this thread goes.
Have a great day,
Jeff
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...I like your work, (Araich), and that was the reason I responded to them emotionally.
I'm sure you are strong and tough enough to get this kind of criticism.
It is not important, and it is no significant, especially in this kind of forum, to react only positively.
shlomo you make a fair point and I take no offense at your comment. Indeed your critique is not an uncommon one.

Interestingly, in the making I spend little time focused on control, and with balance I mostly seek to defy it. Balance only becomes a critical component as I often ride a fine line that can cause the work to fall over. Compositional balance is something I merely flirt with, as I sincerely hope that I pull back just enough to keep it interesting. The degree to which, of course, is a subjective thing.

The 'high' finish is at it's most basic the result of my removing all the accidental and incidental marks. The drive behind this is to remove the destraction I find that pitting or other imperfections make to an otherwise uniform surface, distractions that steal from the form. At a certain point in a uniform finish you have to go all the way, or pull back to an irregular, character rich surface. This at least has been my experience.

Being somewhat aware of the limits this approach has, I have begun a series of more fluid and textured works, and it has helped me to loosen up. So far I have not taken this to work of greater mass, but can see room to broaden my palette and not retard the evolution in my work.

I could be wrong, but I don't feel that I am failing as an artist.
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Old 10-02-2004, 09:16 PM
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Re: Too mach balanced too mach control

Hey Araich, Who said you were failing as an artist? Certainly not me, I have the upmost admiration & respect for your work. I don't like all of it but I like MOST (95%) of it. As far as that "finish" business, I hate spray painting but some pieces demand it SO I spray using automotive primers, enamels and a clear coat. Only to have a client of mine say "I like the rusted pieces better". Well, I paint some, leave some rusty, sometimes I wire brush the loose rust off and then clear coat them. I've always worked this way and feel that the piece tells me how to finish it and what color to use. Don't ask me to explain that, as I can't! I've also started working in stainless and that means when it's done, it's done, and there's NO WORRY about scratched or chipped paint!
I think you're a fine professional artist and everything I've seen from you leads me to the conclusion that we could ALL learn from your example.
Have a great day,
Jeff
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Old 10-03-2004, 01:43 AM
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Thank you Arich for answering I have been sure that you are bigger than this kind of little criticism , but yours good friend , ( I don't blame them) (I don't blame anyone) made me feel guilty and defensive.
- I'm looking at Karo's and Gonzales's metal sculptures and even Smith's – they are not beautiful like your pieces, they are not beautiful at all – they are not trying to be – their sculptures (admit - I'm comparing you to the best) are trying to cache something else- something spiritually - they are struggling with themselves, with their metal mind,
I'm sure you do too,
But it seemed to me that yore main struggle is with the metal itself, to find the nice lines, The most nice carve, and to get it from the hard metal.
You want your sculptures to be pretty and beautiful - this is my main criticize to your work - you succeed – it is enough for you – their are no monster in, behind, or after your beautiful work.
YOU ARE NOT TRYING TO GIVE ME MORE – TO KNOW YOU BETTER - KNOWING ME BETTER.
Like Robert Redford in his movies – he don't really act, HE DO NOT GIVING ME HIS SOUL, the most important for him in every single film, is to be beautiful – to remain Robert Redford - and he succeed too.

Excuse my beautiful English but
What is the drive after ? of? your new work? now after you find your ability, your certain wonderful talent ?
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Old 10-03-2004, 03:43 AM
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Re: Too mach balanced too mach control

Ah, the word beauty. Somehow seen as weak and easy. I say, look harder.

I confess to having made many simple joyful studies, pure notes and soft unified compositions. But it is not all that I do. They are just some of the words I use in my work, words that are capable of making complex and meaningful statements. However you want to read it; sweetly sung or screaming, it is the phrase that counts.

I don't want my sculpture to be pretty or beautiful, but I am smart enough not to destroy it (beauty) because on the surface it may appear light. Have you heard of the wolf in sheeps clothing?

Steel sculpture comes with a great deal of baggage. That simply means we have lots of cloths to choose from.
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Old 10-03-2004, 08:37 AM
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Re: Too mach balanced too mach control

It seems to me that the difference between Araich's goals and Schlomo's is like the different between water and earth. One is smooth and reflective, the other is coarse and tactile. Both have power and depth in their own ways.
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. Have you heard of the wolf in sheeps clothing?
that is the reason I'm watching you - trying to shoot you .
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Old 10-04-2004, 05:59 PM
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Re: Too mach balanced too mach control

Araich, you don't have to defend or justify yourself!
They are in the world as many type of artists as type of characters!
Some like it extravert, full of impulsive ideas to throw out.
Some like it introvert, a few selected ideas deeply built.
Even if the second attitude is my personal favorite, sometimes the spontaneous process of the first one could be a usefull exercise to open the mind but not a final process of creation.
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Old 10-04-2004, 09:31 PM
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Re: Too mach balanced too mach control

almost missed this most important discussion. Art is provocation all else decoration

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Old 10-05-2004, 12:44 AM
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Re: Too mach balanced too mach control

Anne, you make an interesting point. That of process. It may not be apparant but I work in a very fluid and loose way, with it not uncommon for me to turn a work upside, or cut it in half during the making. Whether this is written into the work or not does not overly interest me. I do almost no planning, and rarely have an early idea of the outcome.

Thank you ironman, it was very kind of you to say that.
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Re: Too mach balanced too mach control

I think there are two interesting issues under all of this: beauty and craft. Sooner or later a sculptor has find answer to those and Araich’s work exemplifies a possibility.

Quoth Araich: “The drive behind this is to remove the distraction I find that pitting or other imperfections make to an otherwise uniform surface, distractions that steal from the form.” In other words, the craft is working towards the ultimate goal of the piece, an expression of a particular kind of form. It’s not a process for the sake of a process which I think is a major stumbling block to contemporary artists. So if a stray grinder mark or random pit interferes with what the piece is trying to do or is about, take it out. The craft supports the higher purpose of the piece and as far as I’m concerned it’s this sort of logical rigor that is the high road to greatness. It’s also based on experience which is also extremely important. “Too much control” doesn’t seem germane because it doesn’t take Araich’s work on its own terms.

Is beauty a sign of weakness? Perhaps if you’re an ascetic who sleeps on a bed of nails it is. I personally think that making it look ‘right’ matters and it’s worth finding what looks ‘right’ in art and architecture. If you’re not interested in beauty you’re probably not interested in the material world.

There seems to be a strange fascination with the grotesque nowadays, and I one argument I’ve heard about it that the grotesque is incomplete. The classical distills many possibilities into a solution that seems so perfect that nothing could be changed without ruining it and is therefore complete. In this sense the quest for perfect form is classical. I personally would like to learn more about the grotesque versus the classical as a possible way to understand parts of the contemporary art scene.
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Re: Too mach balanced too mach control

Hi Jeff and everyone, I like your "rambling on and on" and off - your "rusty" writing about art (very sharp and polished thinking)
But
you took the sentence : "reflecting the time in which we live" very seriously more seriously then we should – in a way this kind of thinking is an old idée-fix. It belongs too to the past – it doesn't belong any more to our rapid and intensive time, as you said – it belongs to the "traditional" way of thinking. Not only art should bring something new, but the way we are thinking about art, about the task of art, is also waiting to a new Picasso.

Jeff, you caused me to be curious about your work but I didn't find any of your works in the forum, could It be?
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