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Art-Deco 03-01-2014 08:01 PM

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I'm getting together with a lady from another art forum I used to moderate and we are going to try our own sculpture and ceramics forum on one of my domains. Sculpture.net just seems to be fading away a slow death, days and weeks go by with almost nothing new added.

The forum I left was having way too much hand-holding that was growing by the day with dozens of people signing up for the forum every week only to make one post asking how much some bric-a-brac antique thing they found in a garage sale or the like was worth, rarely any of them posted photos and it required writing the same replies over and over asking for photos, and in the end all they were there for was to get a free appraisal, which I had to repeatedly post we don't do there.

Another art related site I was posting to- I was probably the most experienced there, and the sculpture folder was only one of dozens of barely related topical folders, so I had all of these people fawning over everything posted like kids in a candy store which is almost worse than being ignored!

So far I have not found a forum that strikes any kind of happy medium between amateur and professional that is dedicated strictly to sculpture/ceramics without all the other craft things added in.
Hopefully the lady and I will be able to cime up with something this year that works.

I'm, not going to be in here much, maybe once a month I'll drop in, but it's become almost a waste of time to log in more than once a month any more.

mantrid 03-02-2014 06:52 AM

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I think forums are generally on their way out in favour of things like facebook.
To be honest I dont think your new forum will fair any better.
This forum is similar to what you are wanting to start

http://www.figurativesculptors.com/index.php

But it is even deader than this one

Art-Deco 03-02-2014 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mantrid (Post 105607)
I think forums are generally on their way out in favour of things like facebook.
To be honest I dont think your new forum will fair any better.
This forum is similar to what you are wanting to start

http://www.figurativesculptors.com/index.php

But it is even deader than this one

Ive been on that forum, the owner had always seemed to just let it run itself with little day to day interaction, setting up a forum and just walking away from it doesn't work well.
That forum is basically geared for and even named with figure sculptors as the target audience, I consider that an advanced professional level that eliminates a large segment of potential participants. It's like having a forum for collectors of only red Chevy pickups made in June of 1994

Facebook's entire layout sucks, it's a real pain to navigate, forum software is real clean, easy to use, easy to navigate, easy to attach photos, videos etc.

raspero 03-02-2014 06:26 PM

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There are some good forums that are vital and active. Not sculpture unfortunately. I am active on two metal shaping forums and a metal casting forum.

The most active forum I know of is Smokstak. It's a bunch of old engine fanatics. Two or three pages of new posts every day.

I hope you get something going. I miss the sculpture conversations, though I don't miss the elitism, bordering on ridicule, that frequently seemed to suppress things here.

Richard

raspero 03-02-2014 07:05 PM

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I am also a member of an e-mail list of metal workers. Mostly blacksmiths and sculptors with a few car body builders thrown in. That may be a workable format for you. If I want to reply, or to post something new, I send my e-mail to the list's e-mail address and all of the members receive it. Each members can choose, either to get them as they come in, or to have them bunched up and sent once a day.

Richard

Duck 03-03-2014 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mantrid (Post 105607)
I think forums are generally on their way out in favour of things like facebook.
To be honest I dont think your new forum will fair any better.
This forum is similar to what you are wanting to start

http://www.figurativesculptors.com/index.php

But it is even deader than this one

I think what klled this forum was the moderating. There was a "fritchy" here that once actually edited one of my post because it apparently didn't agree with my view on a particular subject, to this day I don't know what a Fritchy is :)…. maybe a fat black pig thats had one to many abortions…..who knows

PTsideshow 03-04-2014 06:25 AM

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Have to agree the social media sites did hurt the forums. But I think that the use of the internet is changing, being a mod on a number of forums, I see the number of one and done members increasing. Were they ask a question get answer and don't even bother to acknowledge the answer. And the ones that don't want to waste their time googling.

I had a women tell me her time was to valuable to waste googling for the answer to her artwork question. And she got mad when nobody would answer her other questions!

The stak is still going strong, only because of the wide subject matter it covers, Harry has classifieds, and the show forums for non profit groups. Plus it is about the only game in town for full size steamers.

I was a mod on a metal artist forum that was at one time the best on the net. And it is going down hill. Owner has other interests, and life is probably getting in the way. So when he wouldn't answer some problems, I tried to get him to take me off as mod, he still hasn't after about 4 months.

The social aspects of the other media sites brings a wide circle of people together. As most don't want to join a group if they don't have an interest other than friendship with a member.:D

Scout 03-10-2014 05:30 PM

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I used to be here a lot. A couple of the moderators here were snarky sometimes but after answering the same questions over and over again, you can kind of understand that. I got such a tremendous amount of help and good discussions here in the past. I hate that this forum is dying. Had some good times here.

Robson Valley 03-10-2014 08:00 PM

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There's another possibility for the moribund nature of this forum.

I persisted in joining in June, 2011. I am the sole, active, mallet-and-gouge
wood carver in my village. Pieces from maybe 8" to 72" with a strong Pacific Northwest influence. I had hoped that I would be able to get some real critique, warts and all. In the interim, I've tried always to make positive contributions when I felt I could do so.

In that time, I have been unable to comprehend the instructions and criteria for posting images. This site is every bit as obtuse as some others than I have resigned from. I realize fully that many, many artists here appear to have no difficulty posting images. The lack of capability rests with me. But I'm damned if I'll spend more than 8 hours a week, trying to figure it out.

To that end, I've sent some PM, hoping to learn. But, I'm very close to being tired of trying. You are welcome to surmise that I can't even get the Redial function to work on my phone.

On the other hand, there are some very vigorous and very active wood carving forums with truely global memberships, like this one. Every style you could imagine. What separates them from here is a very simple mechanism to post images. Maybe a good thing in the visual arts?

I believe that a ceramics forum is a good plan. A site with a place to welcome the beginner, those thinking of getting started and those with their first works. Moderators to slap down the participants who claim never to have been beginners.

Adios. I'm not sure I'll be back again.

Scout 03-10-2014 08:12 PM

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Robson, sorry you are having trouble. I haven't been here in a while and didn't realize how dead it was. Maybe some fresh moderators who aren't burned out from it. It does get old as I used to mod elsewhere. I'll bet you can still get some information here though.

Wonder where Grommet is?

Robson Valley 03-11-2014 12:43 AM

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Thanks Scout, kind words. Don't apologize for what this place has morphed into. Maybe the owners know and maybe they don't care.

There's a real deal that I like to think that I could have learned here but I have not seen even pablum. I'm at a real crossroads with 3 or 4 similar forum sites which all appear to utilize the same crude software.

Then we have to endure the "artistes," who will forever never let us forget that they were never beginners. Up here, we call those cowboys "all hat and no cattle." Some days, I wonder if they know how silly they sound.

Let's face it. 50kB images in a visual arts website? Who is trying to fool whom? I'm in other places where "web-large," 640x480, is the benchmark standard.

Thanks, Scout. I have to get out on the road again tomorrow. I dislike winter mountain highway driving. I don't know when I'll be back to sleep in my own bed again.
Now, I really am gone. I do wish you all well.

Ryder 03-11-2014 02:14 PM

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Interesting thread......Seems like most things such as forums or clubs or anything else that don't cost to get into have a bell curve of activity. Start up and then a high energy push up with lots of interest then a tapering off to a low level.
As for me I'm a legend in my own mind having fun and fulfillment hacking and welding stuff that sells. This forum is great to check out for help and ideas but I will continue to do whatever it is that I do.

raspero 03-11-2014 08:13 PM

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I just keep reading and posting. I figure that sooner or later sculptors will tire of parading on Facebook and will re-discover a need for a forum of thought and ideas.

Richard

Art-Deco 03-11-2014 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by raspero (Post 105631)
I just keep reading and posting. I figure that sooner or later sculptors will tire of parading on Facebook and will re-discover a need for a forum of thought and ideas.

Richard

As I've said in another thread, facebook sucks, the whole layout, all of it is just awfull- full of clutter, unrelated garbage, annoyances and the infinite scrolling on a page down and down and down with everything trying to load at the same time never worked well anywhere on the web- it's one of the major gripes people have about flickr's change to infinite scrolling of huge numbers of large images, most of which have nothing to do with your interests.

I've always preferred the forum layout with separated topical folders neatly indexed, clear, plain interface free of unrelated crap, ads and stuff vying for your attention like sidebars. I always liked internal messaging, profiles, ability to attach or embed or link to photos and more, being able to format your text in many ways, to go back and edit as you wish etc.

Sculpture, art, paintings, drawings, crafts etc are something that really work best on an interactive layout such as a forum, with minimal graphics in the interface so the focus is on the art and discussion- not the bells and whistles of the format of the layout and the interface.
I've almost always used the very easy to use Simple Machines board software and set it to display large thumbnails for attachments, interesting thumbnails can be clicked to see the full sized version, this works well to avoid bogging down a thread with dozens to hundreds of full sized often far too wide to display images which causes side-scrolling and broken tables.

The forum interface I've always felt is the best format for art related discussions.

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The most active forum I know of is Smokstak. It's a bunch of old engine fanatics. Two or three pages of new posts every day.

I hope you get something going. I miss the sculpture conversations, though I don't miss the elitism, bordering on ridicule, that frequently seemed to suppress things here.
Richard
That would be a very narrow specialty interest forum which is why it does well.
I don't know that I've seen elitism here, but keep in mind this forum is run by the international sculpture center- publisher of sculpture magazine, if you research back a bit.
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The International Sculpture Center (ISC) is a member-supported, nonprofit organization founded in 1960 to champion the creation and understanding of sculpture and its unique, vital contribution to society. Members include sculptors, collectors, patrons, architects, developers, journalists, curators, historians, critics, educators, foundries, galleries, and museums—anyone with an interest in and commitment to the field of sculpture.
Based in Washington DC their focus for this whole web site and sculpture.org it's parent is selling memberships and web advertising, joining is not cheap:

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Basic Member
$100 US/Canada/Mexico; $120 International

Professional
$350 US/Canada/Mexico; $370 International.

I joined the NSS instead, but my point here is this site is not JUST this forum, this forum is nothing more than a sideline to it, almost an afterthought and it's not obviously part of the main site because when you visit the sculpture.net url this board is all you get which leads people to think the entire focus and meaning for this board is to be here for a discussion forum. In actuality it's only a minor sideline for the main site which is selling memberships and magazines, that is why there's little interest in running/expanding/moderating it- it's not something that generates revenue, as a result there's very little motivation to more with this board than just let it sit here.

This board and the ISC behind it unfortunately for me- have most of the focus on contemporary, abstract and modern sculptures, I don't do figure sculptures or any of the aforementioned, so there's very little here at all of interest to me for content because the majority of it is so unrelated to my own work and vice-versa.

The other board someone mentioned- figurativesculptures has a focus only on figure sculpture which is of no interest for me and vice-versa there too.

GlennT 03-16-2014 09:29 PM

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Some of you may remember me as being a rather active participant here, and now extremely rarely. Facebook is largely responsible, as was finding a portrait sculpture forum, though I'm not really active there much either. Can't let the computer take over too much time!
I was not bothered by any moderators...rather, I applaud their willingness to take on a thankless task.
One drawback was that here I did not even want to post my work much, because figurative artists were in a minority, and a number of the "abstract" artists seemed to be more concerned about doing something conceptually "different" than about understanding or appreciating the mindset of joy in exploring the human figure and the spirit of grace and beauty that it can communicate. The ensuing friction with conflicting ideas was ok for the potential humor aspect, but I found the need to constantly defend simple values like beauty, goodness, etc. lost its appeal over time. On the other hand, I learned a lot from different perspectives when such were shared in good honest discussion.

raspero 03-17-2014 07:30 PM

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I experienced the same thing, Glenn. I stopped showing my work here as well. Criticism quickly devolved into a banter of ridicule about us hopelessly outdated figurative sculptors.

I suppose I am outdated, if outdated means I can't find beauty or inspiration in a bunch of scrap metal welded together. But then there are glaring exceptions. For instance Scrapartoz makes absolutely wonderful stuff.

Richard

obseq 03-19-2014 05:12 PM

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Not sure some want the moderators to "do."

There was an exodus to Facebook. That's really it.

I will comment on the tendency of many to post images of and promote their work and expect a dialogue,
but rarely, if ever, reciprocate in threads not their own.

With that said, there were a good number who did a fantastic job of commenting on others' work.

Mack 03-19-2014 11:43 PM

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I enjoyed coming to this site.

cheesepaws 04-22-2014 05:04 PM

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***tumbleweed rolls by***

raspero 04-22-2014 06:15 PM

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Perhaps a definition of wisdom is to not roll with it.

R

obseq 04-28-2014 05:41 PM

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I'd roll with a tumbleweed....

scrapartoz 04-29-2014 05:47 AM

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if you listen carefully you can hear the crickets inside the rolling tumbleweeds .they sound like a piece of wire caught around your car's tailshaft. and also what is that funky smell?

Art-Deco 04-30-2014 02:53 AM

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Will the last one out please shut the lights off to save energy? thank you!

raspero 04-30-2014 07:16 PM

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I'd roll with a tumbleweed....
When a person is the beauty of their day, and their looks are really in style, and then the times change and tastes change, and ten years go by, if they keep exactly their same look and don't change anything and if they take care of themselves, they'll still be a beauty.

Schrafft's restaurants were the beauties of their day, and then they tried to keep up with the times and they modified and modified until they lost all their charm and were bought by a big company. But if they could just have kept their same look and style, and held on through the lean years when they weren't in style, today they'd be the best thing around. You have to hang on in periods when your style isn't popular, because if it's good, it'll come back, and you'll be a recognized beauty once again.

Andy Warhol

I have long treasured this by Andy, perhaps because of my long love affair with New York, and especially with the New York that exists no more: the New York of real style and elegance, not just money and flash. In looking for the quote on the internet I found this web site: http://thephilosophyofandywarhol.blogspot.mx/
Andy Warhol, for me, has been an acquired taste, much as coffee and beer were. All I could think of for years was Campbell's Soup cans. I have finally come to recognize his genius.

Richard

scrapartoz 05-01-2014 04:30 AM

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All this forum needs to come back to life is a willingness for members to post images of their art. Once that occurs , discussions , arguments , enthrallment , rage and love and hate will follow .
........................................please consider.


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