Future: Sculptors needed

[Zoomcity]

In physics, light is both particle and wave. This is called the Particle Wave theory.

Imagine the future.

The particles of light are highly compacted. Formed to a pliable mass. It looks like a stick of margarine. Different grades of intensity are available almost like the wattage of our light bulbs. One could cut off a slice to light a room.

The sculptor then molds and shapes this mass of light to his/her own whims or the customers wishes. Architects would add it to building features. Manufacturers would add lower grades to wall materials. Consumerism would be added as product time duration similar to our batteries. Global warming would be reversed as Sun's intensity would be reigned in by the harvesting of light particles.

I'd say 120 to 180 years from now.

[evaldart]

I have often wished that the steel could remain in that glowing blood-orange state like when it has been out of the forge for 20 seconds or so. like a luminous chewing-gum version of clay that could yet still be manipulated by the invention of some super asbesto-kevlar gloves and then put out to gleam in the night or stick one in each room of the Louvre heating the whole damn building as it treats the visitors to aesthetic enlightenment.

[StevenW]

That's a pretty cool vision, the glowing blob of metal thing as a finished piece.

"Wavicles" in physics; Boron's, Leptons, Gluon's, Muons and all of those fancy named primordial elements in a state between matter and energy are interesting to read about. How they might be harvested or used in practical applications is beyond my own knowledge or reasoning, but I do think that some of the nanotechnology recently touched on here may provide us with some practical applications in the not too distant future and I'll be hoping that the first guys to make some nano-sculptures do something worthy. :)

[Aaron Schroeder]

Zoomcar, Thanks

This is the divergent thinking that I think most of us here would rather hear from you, rather than the typical rants about our collective stupidity.

As for light, yes it is wave and partical at the same time......yet neither. And the matter upon which light impacts is wave and partical.....yet neither. All of it is just energy in the process of travelling from here to there. Fundemental rotations within rotations. The only difference being radius and frequency.

Light can't be kept in a perpetual loop because...... any and all reflectors are made of energy which hungers for energy. All reflectors tax wave unit integrities whether it's fair or not. The laws of thermal dynamics are pretty clear.......all must share. All energy is equal, one and the same.

In the end all units must die, yet death is not a conscious state....so life is eternal regardless. Next thing you know, it all snaps back into self awareness with no memory of the lost time. Even god can't remember what it was before it was god.

Void. A sad truth for those hardwired to sense loss. All that energy comes to a rest and takes a break. It's the one thing..... everthing can look forward
too........some time out.

Zoom......you're thinking energy is good to go....full time .....all the time.....and that we can expect full out peformance from the most devoted slaves. As good as they are, they need and expect some vacation.

If you want something for nothing.......give it up. show some respect and offer to compensate. Energy that works with energy can stretch things out way more than energy that fights it's self.

Is that encrypted enough to appeal to your thick wall ? Or not ?

[Zoomcity]

Laws in physics are only false limitations placed by those who can not understand, for the purpose of ego. Only 102 years ago mechanical flight was deemed impossible by the physics of the day. The Theory of Relativity and the Laws of Thermal Dynamics are now archaic due to the current explorations of Post Quantum Mechanics.

[Aaron Schroeder]

The Laws of Thermal Dynamics trump Quantum Mechanics any day of the week. Quantum mechanics are for wishful thinkers and people with blind egos. Stars, galaxies and almost every celestial body follow the rules without fail, exception are made only along the edges and on the smallest of scales.

It takes life forms like us to bend the rules.....to show any flexibility.......even as such......there's little room to wiggel. Sure, energy units rotate in synchrony dispite distance, all that shows is that systems of perception rotate at the same diameter and frequency. Qauntum mechanics only say more about the gaps in conceptioning than they do the actual nature of unfolding events. You, me, everybody are just too slow to witness the anolog fullfillment of infinite surface area. Just because there is a shutter speed to perception......doesn't mean that there is any gap in the relay of unfolding events.Cut the picture up any way you want, all you'll see is the cutter, meanwhile energy is energy, one and the same........just slowing down ( at slightly different rate ) till all comes to a stand still for a moment of non-existant void. Happens only every god-gillion trillion years,

Give me some horse shit better than that and I'll buy you a beer.

[Zoomcity]

There is always at least one who battles and berates new ideas. Jealousy? I have seen this before. A forward idea is presented, and the psuedo experts crawl out of the holler and profess their allegence to classical physics.

As laws of physics fall to the wayside, their applications can always be found nonetheless. Not everyone everywhere saw that first flight. The old laws will hold true for some then fade away, exceptions will always be, and application of new, remain the norm.

That second paragraph Aaron, yikes. Looks personal!

[evaldart]

Damn Aaron, I'm puttin' you up ther with my idol, Allenring. Makes perfect sense to me...I suppose.
So you'll all be delighted to know that Evaldart, along with everything else that expels energy, is undeniably part of you. But I still feel so alone:(.

[Tired Iron]

Aw Matt, you're not alone buddy! You got me over here in northwestern NY , Zoomcar (Love that Aaron), and all the rest of us out there in cyberspace. Some hiding , others not....still we're all connected.

Meanwhile, did anybody see the arcticle about the two guys that finally figured out how to make white LED light? The arcticle said that it has been difficult to get beyond the blue we all are used too, but these two guys figured out how to do it and the compound they came up with will have the properties of paint and you will be able to paint your cars, walls or whatever and with the flick of a switch the whole thing will light up! Cool huh? Arcticle said it would be a few years down the road though as it is in the working out bugs stage now( Means they are looking for money to develop it).If I find the arcticle I will post a link here. TI

[Aaron Schroeder]

I'm feeling an apology on my part is in order. I'm sorry Zoomcity for objecting to your ideas. I'm just an artist who foolishly believes what other people tells him. As far as I know all the laws of nature my have exceptions and loopholes that others may find ways to exploit. The unbelievable may just be around the corner. Sorry to highjack your thread, the topic does seem compelling and I'd rather hear about all the cool things to be than the narrow scope of my own limited imagination.

In the future, sculptors will be needed and will do incredible things with the latest and greatest inventions of mankind. I'd love to hear about what we can all look forward too.

[Zoomcity]

Hey, Aa, no need for apologies. Not sure this thread was destined to go anywhere anyway. All the idea is anyway is more Hollywood fuel. They rip ideas wherever they can find them.

[DanielUCM]

Aaron - I see no need for you to apologize! You answered a statement that purported to making scientific claims, and you just clarified that they were not scientific and you explained what the more correct scientific viewpoint would be.

I'm a firm believer in not mixing scientific claims with filosophical or religious ideas as the resulting notions are just quasi-scientific. I'm fed up with people taking ideas from the quantum world and adapting them to our macro world in order to provide "evidence" for spiritual occurances (or ancient "laws" like those claimed in the new-age pseudo-sientific "The Secret").

I have one set of beliefs about the physical world which comes from science and then I have another set of beliefs to deal with filosophical/religious issues. Spiritual matters don't follow laws and can so far not be proven in scientific manners. What you, Zoomcity, said about relativity theory and thermal dynamics not being valid are more of filosophical claims but you make them sound like scientific claim, so don't be upset with Aaron's answer as he only gave a more proper scientific view of the matter. I'm all for a open minded view on the world but please separate science from philosophy as both are equally important but when mixed they just take the edge off eachother.

[Zoomcity]

Hmm, maybe you should apologize after all Aaron. Your post just opens the door for the naysayers.

I haven't given this any scientific backing ya'll. It's an idea! A forward thinking idea! I said ....USE YOUR IMAGINATION....not your pessimism or negativity, or science opinions masquerading as knowledge.....sheesh!

As for the Quantum world having no bearing other than spiritual, perhaps you would do well to research IBM's work in Quantum Computing. Utilizing particle duality, astronomical advances in computer hardware are being developed. Quantum teleportation not only has been documented but is being utilized in prototype computers.

Speaking of particle duality, just imagine.... where exactly IS your other self? Across the universe? Or across the planet? Oh no! Here come the spiritualists defending their kingdom!

[jOe~]

Speaking of particle duality, just imagine.... where exactly IS your other self?Other self? The concept of a self(original, not an "other") is a creation/figment of dualistic thinking. The Buddhists and other sages have been trying to get that across for ages. The concept of a self is what is screwing you up to begin with. Then add ideas and thoughts, culture and "education" , and all the other forms of indoctrination. Your mind is just not free. And don't try to think your way out of that one.:)

[Zoomcity]

Not looking to get all new agey and stuff. Particle duality is a quantum mechanics concept that for every particle, there is an exact copy somewhere in the universe. Taken to extremes, this theory may imply an exact copy of your BODY, somewhere else. That's all, not some spiritual crap, just material duplication.

But it is interesting how so many equate science with religion.

Sometimes I wonder if consciousness, those words in your head as you think, may well be communication with that other self/body wherever it may be.

Back on topic, can you imagine living underground in the year 2140 and slicing your stick of light each day when you wake up to illuminate your living space for the day? Freaky.

[GlennT]

Particle duality is a quantum mechanics concept that for every particle, there is an exact copy somewhere in the universe. Taken to extremes, this theory may imply an exact copy of your BODY, somewhere else.

The logic of statement A does not lead me to statement B, extreme or not.
The is a Huge difference between an individual particle and an amalgam of billions upon billions of particles unified in a specific configuration galvanized to a single distinct will.

There was a sci-fi movie back in the 60's or 70's that had an astronaut landing on a planet that was the mirror image of earth on the opposite side of the sun.

[Zoomcity]

Wow! Artists with a lack of imagination. Shocking!

[fritchie]

Zoomcity - You're providing a nice comic corner for the fourm here! Or is that sarcasm as some might ask?

[StevenW]

I would say sarcasm... He does bring up an interesting point to consider and how it reflects upon any given work may be worth mention.. There's imagination, the plausible kind that can suspend a person's disbelief and then there's pure fantasy, which may be more easily dismissed as impossible. I used to read old pulp sci-fi magazines as a kid sometimes; Amazing Stories being one of my favorites and the illustrations on the covers in large part led me to drawing and then painting and digital 3D modeling and finally sculpture.

Some of my favorite illustrators are from this era:

http://www.frankwu.com/paul1.html

And of course Frazetta: http://www.frankfrazetta.com/ff/index.html

I'd argue that some level of imagination (and indeed illustration) is needed in order for any given sculpture to succeed and that purely (exacting detail like a body cast or even the extreme opposite, pure abstraction) representational or abstract/impossible sculpture loses that crucial element and risks becoming simply another fabricated object.. Where the line between a little abstraction and imagination and artistic license crosses the boundary to pure fantasy and the utterly impossible may be an interesting focus point to study.. I often find myself on the more impossible side and I think that can hurt the finished piece.. It's just another angle in the myriad of angles I think about while working..

[Aaron Schroeder]

Things will indeed be very different in 2140, that'll be about a hundred years after the singularity ( the moment when a machine can think for it's self ).

The rate of technilogical development only continues to accelerate, it's hard to say how quickly things will move when thinking machines step into the picture. If they and global climate change don't wipe us out and we actually are able to enjoy the bounty of our labors, we can look forward to many new features that we can barely even begin to imagine. Although most forward thinkers of the past tended to focus on the shiny metal and the nifty gizmos, I tend to think the most astonishing advances will be biological and organic in nature. By 2140 we will have a complete understanding of how to design and build living systems. Chances are that at least a few folks will have the option of skipping light sticks and will just light up their skin or have eyes that see clearly in total darkness. I expect body customization will be all the rage. Forget implants and silicone, people will be able to upload perfect tits and vibrating cocks at the thought of pushing a button or authorizing a balance transfer. Most folks will probably live in poverty, scratching out a living selling land fill just like they always have......but a few of gods chosen people will have the option of being super people and some of those people will want to make art. What will they make ?

Artist unlike other handy proffessionals tend to stear towards emotional expressions. We make things that make other people sad, mad or glad. I don't see the content of future story telling changing at all. Future art will evoke the same emotions as the art of the past and present. The art of 2140 will effect me just like the cave paintings of 10,000 B.C. Art ....works..... because it's timeless, connecting people across the generations.

People will be carving stone and connecting junk together till the next extinction level event and then the life forms that rise from the ashes will wonder what it was all about. Some things will never change.

[Zoomcity]

God created man in His image.
Man created machine in his image.
Someday perhaps, the machine will worship us.

[evaldart]

Man created Art in the image of everything he recalled from the future.

In 2140 the architects had long since given up their plan of making people live in a "Jetsons" inspired civilization. metal boxes with designer "skins" allowed anyone to select their exterior finish by the advent of interior-projection.

The flying cars had their good and bad points (higher fatality rates for accidents, flying garbage trucks, vs quicker beer-runs and very,very verticle parking ).

genetically engineered foods made for the existence of the HyperWhopper, which became, by its absolute desirability and nutritional superiority the only food available (just one of these per day gave every human exactly what he/she needed - metabolically tuned to the customers request..."have it your way" was still in effect)

Evaldart VI pulled his overloaded 2131 F-350 up to the loading dock at the MOMA (Museum of Material Art, all other museums exhibited digital images on their interior-projection walls) The nine tons of sculpture (improved leaf-spring technology) would be his contribution to the earth-shattering exhibit "Humans Still Have Hands - Art Made by People". It was this show of abstractions that caught the eyes of the Veeriants, who eventually nominated Earthlings for membership in the League of Interplanetary Directors. Membership perks included full disease and death rectification of the entire species(an honor we were later stripped-of when our Hyperwhopper caused the spontaneous combustion of the High Lord of the LID, Juperious, at the membership commencement feast at BK Earth...seems the trans fats did not agree with him).
But 2141 would be a new year, and the whole world now looked to the creation of REAL Art as the way to human immortality...the individual with the hammer and the dreams was once again the most important member of society.

[Mr. Malloy]

Zoom, thats a funny idea, albeit patriarchial. And it is also tru that I am nothing more than an apparition of photons, you don not see the real/whole me. And yes I work in mysterious ways.

[Duck]

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genetically engineered foods made for the existence of the HyperWhopper, which became, by its absolute desirability and nutritional superiority the only food available (just one of these per day gave every human exactly what he/she needed - metabolically tuned to the customers request..."have it your way" was still in effect)
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[PatrickBuckohr]

can't everyone just agree that in an infinite universe there are infinite possibilities... every one as valid as the next (and last for that matter)
to spend energy arguing that thermal dynamics could beat up quantum mechanics (or vice versa) seems... well... wasteful or am i entertained?

[Musicman92130]

Uh, what is going on? I have never seen any empirical data to support the claims by Zoom. If you have data please referece the specific journal article.

I have a degree in Chemistry and although it has been awhile since I have derived the Schroedinger equation, as far as I know it still comes out the same. The laws of thermodynamics have not been discredited, there is more to understand, but please show me specific evidence by a major university if you think it is no longer credible.

There are always fringe elements of science that spout extraordinary claims, but without specific empirical data it cannot be trusted. A lot of the time it is just a scam that ends up hurting a lot of people.

Carl Sagan wrote a lot about this pseudoscience in his books and it is worth looking at if you don't believe it can really hurt people.

Mark

[oscar]

Zoomcity cannot reply with specific empirical data for they were banned from the forum for expressing an opinion.

[Aaron Schroeder]

Come on Oscar , you can do better than that. Good ideas always go over everyones heads, that's what makes them good. If I'm not lost after a lecture, I'm not coming back for more. Who want to learn about what they already know ? After thoughtful consideration I don't care if Zoomcity is wrong or right......he/she/it may stimulate a clue and that may have value.

So much will be lost/gained in translation, I feel teased, I want the goods. Give.

[Dustin Faddis]

I'm a firm believer in not mixing scientific claims with filosophical or religious ideas as the resulting notions are just quasi-scientific. I'm fed up with people taking ideas from the quantum world and adapting them to our macro world in order to provide "evidence" for spiritual occurances (or ancient "laws" like those claimed in the new-age pseudo-sientific "The Secret").

I have one set of beliefs about the physical world which comes from science and then I have another set of beliefs to deal with filosophical/religious issues. Spiritual matters don't follow laws and can so far not be proven in scientific manners. .

Hello Sir,

Perhaps your philosophical and empirical beliefs are not as segregated as you might like them to be. Things unseen are empirically experienced and observed by their interaction of the unseen. E.g., my thought of a pink elephant occurs in my brain. However, when you open my brain up to obtain that pink elephant, you don't find the elephant; you find an intricately complex system that merges your philosophical beliefs with your empirical observations.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding what definitions you are using of "science" and "philosophical". Therefore, I do not understand what you are intending those words to mean. However, I believe, I have a common working knowledge of those words as you use them and understand your meaning of them and 'am inclined to respond to those words as follows:

The brain functionis in a system of similar fashion but very distinct from the "physical"(thoughts, atoms). I use "brain" here as I think of "mind" or the system involving thoughts.

Which ever method or way in which you describe your "physical"(vision, touch) and non-physical experience(thought, imagination) the two will not be segregated. They are inseparable from our experience; at least in terms of the language we use to account for our experience. I believe they are inseparably-inseparable because they are integratively a part of the functioning universe.

Nonetheless, whenever a person discusses the physical, they are also utilizing a system of philosophical beliefs and presuppositions regarding the physical things they are discussing. We say they are applying "meaning" which is clearly distinct from somehing that is "physical" and understood "scientifically. Thus, philosophical and "scientific" topics are better understood in relation to the Context and Stystem in which they are discussed and understood.

Not all "science" is "evidenced" by empirical evidence; however, it has ometimes ignorantly-purported to be:)

You can't separate the two and you can't avoid the one or the other. Until they show me the physical proof of the pink elephant in my brain, I will carefully consider WHICH philosophical beliefs and presuppositions are connected to the "Scientific" "evidences" that are being proposed.

Science and Philosophy are symbiotic in relationship to each other.

I wish you well with your experientially-integrated process of understanding.:)

[fused]

In physics, light is both particle and wave. This is called the Particle Wave theory.

Imagine the future.

The particles of light are highly compacted. Formed to a pliable mass. It looks like a stick of margarine. Different grades of intensity are available almost like the wattage of our light bulbs. One could cut off a slice to light a room.

The sculptor then molds and shapes this mass of light to his/her own whims or the customers wishes. Architects would add it to building features. Manufacturers would add lower grades to wall materials. Consumerism would be added as product time duration similar to our batteries. Global warming would be reversed as Sun's intensity would be reigned in by the harvesting of light particles.

I'd say 120 to 180 years from now.

Ooh... I like it and certainly won't be surprised to be surprised by what is revealed in the future. Like the simple concept of a thermos... (it's hot... it's cold... how do it know?) and I look forward to what discoveries happen next.